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US Missile Defence

Posted: Thu May 12, 2016 9:46 am
by Zhivago
Previously claimed against Iran, but they are now 'peaceable' since their capitulation to the west. So is it really plausable that the missile defence is against anyone but Russia?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/m ... in-romania

Re: US Missile Defence

Posted: Thu May 12, 2016 2:41 pm
by Stones of granite
Zhivago wrote:Previously claimed against Iran, but they are now 'peaceable' since their capitulation to the west. So is it really plausable that the missile defence is against anyone but Russia?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/m ... in-romania
Strange that you comment on that and not this
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/05/10/sarmat_icbm/

Anyone would think you had an agenda.

Re: US Missile Defence

Posted: Thu May 12, 2016 3:52 pm
by Sandydragon
It's a defence shield, it can't attack Russia, or anyone else. It would also do very little against SLBM fired from the mid Atlantic.

Re: US Missile Defence

Posted: Thu May 12, 2016 5:23 pm
by Zhivago
Sandydragon wrote:It's a defence shield, it can't attack Russia, or anyone else. It would also do very little against SLBM fired from the mid Atlantic.
It's one nail in the coffin of MAD. Surely you of all people would not deny that?

Re: US Missile Defence

Posted: Thu May 12, 2016 9:03 pm
by UGagain
Sandydragon wrote:It's a defence shield, it can't attack Russia, or anyone else. It would also do very little against SLBM fired from the mid Atlantic.

No. It's part of a first strike system.

Re: US Missile Defence

Posted: Thu May 12, 2016 9:55 pm
by Stones of granite
UGagain wrote:
Sandydragon wrote:It's a defence shield, it can't attack Russia, or anyone else. It would also do very little against SLBM fired from the mid Atlantic.

No. It's part of a first strike system.
Please explain

Re: US Missile Defence

Posted: Thu May 12, 2016 10:12 pm
by UGagain
The entire rationale is based on the (probably mistaken) belief that a Russian counterattack with their few remaining (after an overwhelming first strike) missiles could be shot down by the anti-missile missiles.

Given that these systems have never ever worked it's a fool's game anyway but these people are not sane and there's a shed load of money to be scammed.

What it does do is makes the likelihood of a nuclear war by either intention or mistake much greater.

Re: US Missile Defence

Posted: Fri May 13, 2016 9:14 am
by Zhivago
Placement of the missile defense system in Romania is however more suitable against targets launched in Iran or that region, if you consider the shortest flight path.

Re: US Missile Defence

Posted: Fri May 13, 2016 9:21 am
by UGagain

Re: US Missile Defence

Posted: Fri May 13, 2016 2:16 pm
by Zhivago
UGagain wrote:
Napoleon, Hitler, Russia has good reason to be wary of its Western border with Europe.

Re: US Missile Defence

Posted: Fri May 13, 2016 5:07 pm
by morepork
Is anyone trying to weaponise outer space, with frickin laser beams and nooks and stuff?

Re: US Missile Defence

Posted: Fri May 13, 2016 6:16 pm
by Zhivago
morepork wrote:Is anyone trying to weaponise outer space, with frickin laser beams and nooks and stuff?
Seems not. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outer_Space_Treaty

Re: US Missile Defence

Posted: Fri May 13, 2016 6:50 pm
by morepork
Sheshus.

I wonder when the first generation of SPACE LAWYERS will come out of academia.

Re: US Missile Defence

Posted: Sat May 14, 2016 2:10 am
by Lizard
Space Law is already a thing.

Re: US Missile Defence

Posted: Sat May 14, 2016 3:30 am
by UGagain
Image

Re: US Missile Defence

Posted: Sat May 14, 2016 10:09 pm
by Len
UGagain wrote:Image
I quite like the new one.

Good to see the not as cold as the cold war war going on.

Re: US Missile Defence

Posted: Wed May 18, 2016 10:12 pm
by Sandydragon
Len wrote:
UGagain wrote:Image
I quite like the new one.

Good to see the not as cold as the cold war war going on.
You didn't seriously believe that end f history crap did you? It's business as usual again.

Re: US Missile Defence

Posted: Thu May 19, 2016 6:59 am
by UGagain
It never ended in London or Washington. And yes, it is all about business. Big business and the profits of the rich and fatuous.

Re: US Missile Defence

Posted: Thu May 19, 2016 1:11 pm
by Len
Sandydragon wrote:
Len wrote:
UGagain wrote:Image
I quite like the new one.

Good to see the not as cold as the cold war war going on.
You didn't seriously believe that end f history crap did you? It's business as usual again.
I don't follow

Re: US Missile Defence

Posted: Fri May 20, 2016 11:09 pm
by UGagain
Stephen F. Cohen: NATO escalates and Russian fulminates