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Digby wrote:David Davis warns if the wanker at work Damian Green is fired he'll resign. Some things are clearly a matter of principle, and for Davis prioritising friends who download porn on a work computer at work takes precedent over Brexit

Surely this increases the desire to fire Green!

Digby wrote:David Davis warns if the wanker at work Damian Green is fired he'll resign. Some things are clearly a matter of principle, and for Davis prioritising friends who download porn on a work computer at work takes precedent over Brexit

I understand that Damian Green is denying any involvement. I'm not sure which is worse, viewing porn on a work computer or allowing someone else access to a government issue personal computer that is presumably full of sensitive information.

Stones of granite wrote:

Digby wrote:David Davis warns if the wanker at work Damian Green is fired he'll resign. Some things are clearly a matter of principle, and for Davis prioritising friends who download porn on a work computer at work takes precedent over Brexit

I understand that Damian Green is denying any involvement. I'm not sure which is worse, viewing porn on a work computer or allowing someone else access to a government issue personal computer that is presumably full of sensitive information.

And again being to critical of the police in public fashion, it's a very weird way to manage the problem for the supposed law and order party. Although it's also weird the police are talking in public fashion.

Which Tyler wrote:

Digby wrote:David Davis warns if the wanker at work Damian Green is fired he'll resign. Some things are clearly a matter of principle, and for Davis prioritising friends who download porn on a work computer at work takes precedent over Brexit

Surely this increases the desire to fire Green!

Yes, but who replaces them? JRM to the rescue?

And if th ministers refuse to be fired? May has zero authority and this truce which effectively involves propping her up and keeping the life support going long enough to get to brexit will fall apart if big players are r moved or resign.

Sack the fecker. Davis can gtf as well. The govt will fall apart, we'll have an election and someone will be elected in who just abandons the entire Brexit clusterfuck. Alright we lose an almighty amount of international respect but at least we won't lose an almighty amount of international respect AND be bankrupt for generations to come.

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Donny osmond wrote:Sack the fecker. Davis can gtf as well. The govt will fall apart, we'll have an election and someone will be elected in who just abandons the entire Brexit clusterfuck. Alright we lose an almighty amount of international respect but at least we won't lose an almighty amount of international respect AND be bankrupt for generations to come.

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Who do you that “someone”would be? They would need to both stand on a clear platform of reversing Brexit, and win a clear mandate. I’m not sure there’s anyone with the bottle to the do the first, and I’m not sure how the cards are stacked for the second.

No I agree the spineless feckers wouldnt stand on that platform. I accept this will be seen as wishful thinking, but I genuinely think anyone who stood on that platform would win.

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Donny osmond wrote:No I agree the spineless feckers wouldnt stand on that platform. I accept this will be seen as wishful thinking, but I genuinely think anyone who stood on that platform would win.

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The Lib Dems did at the last GE and it didn’t go so well for them. Similar story in Scotland for the pro-EU parties, as far as I’m aware. I thought the same as you prior to the GE, that the Lib Dems would go well as the only pro-EU party, and said as much on here, but that’s not how it turned out.

I think it surprised a lot of us, Brexiteers just wasn't an issue at the GE - largely because Lab and Con were both saying the same thing there, whilst LibDem a] weren't prepared for a GE (bloody idiots); b] has a toxic leader; and c] haven't been forgiven for the coalition.
If you didn't like those 3 things about LibDem (or any of their policies) then there was no-one else running on a pro-EU platform.

If those three things trump (sorry for swearing) Brexit then Brexit is not too high up your priority list.

Mellsblue wrote:

Donny osmond wrote:No I agree the spineless feckers wouldnt stand on that platform. I accept this will be seen as wishful thinking, but I genuinely think anyone who stood on that platform would win.

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The Lib Dems did at the last GE and it didn’t go so well for them. Similar story in Scotland for the pro-EU parties, as far as I’m aware. I thought the same as you prior to the GE, that the Lib Dems would go well as the only pro-EU party, and said as much on here, but that’s not how it turned out.

I don't remember them explicitly saying they would stop brexit from happening? All I remember them saying was that they wanted as soft a brexit as possible.

I may have missed it, I will admit I don't keep my finger right on the pulse.

The story in Scotland is more complicated, but the anti brexit SNP still swept nearly-all before them.

Donny osmond wrote:

Mellsblue wrote:

Donny osmond wrote:No I agree the spineless feckers wouldnt stand on that platform. I accept this will be seen as wishful thinking, but I genuinely think anyone who stood on that platform would win.

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The Lib Dems did at the last GE and it didn’t go so well for them. Similar story in Scotland for the pro-EU parties, as far as I’m aware. I thought the same as you prior to the GE, that the Lib Dems would go well as the only pro-EU party, and said as much on here, but that’s not how it turned out.

I don't remember them explicitly saying they would stop brexit from happening? All I remember them saying was that they wanted as soft a brexit as possible.

I may have missed it, I will admit I don't keep my finger right on the pulse.
The explicitly stated they were anti-Brexit.

The story in Scotland is more complicated, but the anti brexit SNP still swept nearly-all before them.

The Lib Dems said they were against Brexit and they would hold a referendum on the outcome of negotiations, with the intention of campaigning to stay in the EU.

The SNP did win a majority but it was a much reduced one. The Scottish Conservatives made big gains even with people knowing they would prop up a pro-Brexit administration. If it weren’t for those gains we wouldn’t have the govt we have now.

The Lid Dems might have enjoyed more success going with a soft brexit manifesto than a 2nd referendum approach.

Looking at recent polls (for what they are worth) it doesn't look like Bregret has really caught on yet and support for a re-run of the last referendum isn't there. Given the obvious weaknesses in both main parties I'm still a bit surprised that an experienced operator like Cable can make more headway, which may suggest that Brexit has been more polarising than was reasonably expected and perhaps Labour's position of saying little means some retainers still harbour hope that a Corbyn led government would keep us in the EU, or at least the single market.

Digby wrote:The Lid Dems might have enjoyed more success going with a soft brexit manifesto than a 2nd referendum approach.

Letting Clegg loose again, is hardly ideal, he is pretty much reviled.

welshsaint wrote:

Digby wrote:The Lid Dems might have enjoyed more success going with a soft brexit manifesto than a 2nd referendum approach.

Letting Clegg loose again, is hardly ideal, he is pretty much reviled.

I like him, though I don't know anyone was suggesting that

Digby wrote:

welshsaint wrote:

Digby wrote:The Lid Dems might have enjoyed more success going with a soft brexit manifesto than a 2nd referendum approach.

Letting Clegg loose again, is hardly ideal, he is pretty much reviled.

I like him, though I don't know anyone was suggesting that

He’s revelling being in opposition to something. He’s not quite so good at defending what he’s done as selling what he wants to do. He’s not alone in that, but I’d suggest he prefers fighting/moaning from the outside than leading from the inside. Though, as David Laws will tell almost anybody, most Lib Dems are the same. I say that as someone who respects him and thought him hard done by after having the balls to go into power at a thankless point in history, and someone who would much rather we brought back the Con-Lib coalition than the current arrangement.

Mellsblue wrote:

Digby wrote:

welshsaint wrote:
Letting Clegg loose again, is hardly ideal, he is pretty much reviled.

I like him, though I don't know anyone was suggesting that

He’s revelling being in opposition to something. He’s not quite so good at defending what he’s done as selling what he wants to do. He’s not alone in that, but I’d suggest he prefers fighting/moaning from the outside than leading from the inside. Though, as David Laws will tell almost anybody, most Lib Dems are the same. I say that as someone who respects him and thought him hard done by after having the balls to go into power at a thankless point in history, and someone who would much rather we brought back the Con-Lib coalition than the current arrangement.

We'll agree to differ. I see him as a power grabbing opportunist who almost killed of his own party.

welshsaint wrote:

Mellsblue wrote:

Digby wrote:
I like him, though I don't know anyone was suggesting that

He’s revelling being in opposition to something. He’s not quite so good at defending what he’s done as selling what he wants to do. He’s not alone in that, but I’d suggest he prefers fighting/moaning from the outside than leading from the inside. Though, as David Laws will tell almost anybody, most Lib Dems are the same. I say that as someone who respects him and thought him hard done by after having the balls to go into power at a thankless point in history, and someone who would much rather we brought back the Con-Lib coalition than the current arrangement.

We'll agree to differ. I see him as a power grabbing opportunist who almost killed of his own party.

It wasn’t just his decision. As is the way with the Lib Dems every man and his dog had a say before he could form the coalition.

Mellsblue wrote:

welshsaint wrote:

Mellsblue wrote: He’s revelling being in opposition to something. He’s not quite so good at defending what he’s done as selling what he wants to do. He’s not alone in that, but I’d suggest he prefers fighting/moaning from the outside than leading from the inside. Though, as David Laws will tell almost anybody, most Lib Dems are the same. I say that as someone who respects him and thought him hard done by after having the balls to go into power at a thankless point in history, and someone who would much rather we brought back the Con-Lib coalition than the current arrangement.

We'll agree to differ. I see him as a power grabbing opportunist who almost killed of his own party.

It wasn’t just his decision. As is the way with the Lib Dems every man and his dog had a say before he could form the coalition.

I've said before there are a couple of big problems with the Lid Dem volte-face on tuition fees, partly the party leadership got saddled with a policy they never wanted by the party members, and then they went overboard taking credit for the policy when it started doing so well during the election campaign. But it's a more than fair point to then observe it wasn't a Lib Dem government and you can't have everything you stood for in a coalition.

Also it's not the biggest change in policy we've ever seen, in the same election Cameron went from no top down reorganisation of the NHS to in practice vast changes, which is a much bigger change and he was barely tagged for it. And we've seen Corbyn (though not whilst being in power) make a similar shift to the Lib Dems of saying he'd address tuition fees but as he made that suggestion knowing nothing (and it's another way he reminds one of Trump by so often knowing so little of what's actually going on) he's changed it to promising sod all and again taken barely a hit for it.

All that said whilst I don't in practice see why the issue continues to haunt Clegg the way it does I don't deny people are free to choose to care about whatever they want when it comes to their vote, unless Corbyn wins and enacts his dream, then we'll all be a little less free comrades

And it's over to the DUP to show what they want more, the chance to jump up and down and say we're pure, or a billion pounds. No sense asking if the DUP are mad as either way the DUP are more than a little bonkers. My guess is they'll hate the deal but take it as opposing it will just delay its arrival and remove from them a billion pounds, and then they can get back to safely hating the gays.

Scotland and London already calling for the same deal as Northern Ireland, to remain in the customs union and single market I imagine rather than to have the DUP sent over

And the DUP did indeed kill the deal. Whether anyone wants to challenge May now remains to be seen, clearly she was offering to breach all kind of red lines.

It'd be nice of course to have an election for Christmas

Mellsblue wrote:

welshsaint wrote:

Mellsblue wrote: He’s revelling being in opposition to something. He’s not quite so good at defending what he’s done as selling what he wants to do. He’s not alone in that, but I’d suggest he prefers fighting/moaning from the outside than leading from the inside. Though, as David Laws will tell almost anybody, most Lib Dems are the same. I say that as someone who respects him and thought him hard done by after having the balls to go into power at a thankless point in history, and someone who would much rather we brought back the Con-Lib coalition than the current arrangement.

We'll agree to differ. I see him as a power grabbing opportunist who almost killed of his own party.

It wasn’t just his decision. As is the way with the Lib Dems every man and his dog had a say before he could form the coalition.

Diggers, show some decorum. You are forgetting to quote yourself.

Digby wrote: It'd be nice of course to have an election for Christmas

Agreed. We’ve not really had enough of these recently.