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rowan wrote:

Stones of granite wrote:

rowan wrote:& what does the Economist have to say about America and the EU's staunched ally Saudi Arabia and its treatment of women?

& what does the Economist have to say about Afghanistan, where America enlisted the Mujahideen to destroy the Socialist government and women's rights with it?

& what does the Economist have to say about the sexist attitude of ultraorthodox Israeli Jews toward women?

& what does the Economist have to say about bombing countries for oil and killing countless multitudes of their women?

7th Dan level whataboutery.

Respect.

In keeping with the theme of the thread

Sadly, it's an intellectually bankrupt position to take. Basically you are saying that social regression in a country that considers itself a modern first world country is excusable because of the attitudes of medieval theocracies.

But do carry on.

It's a crap move to make the situation for those at risk of violence, but whilst it's a fine country in many ways its leaders have some appalling morals.

Stones of granite wrote:

rowan wrote:

Stones of granite wrote:
7th Dan level whataboutery.

Respect.

In keeping with the theme of the thread

Sadly, it's an intellectually bankrupt position to take. Basically you are saying that social regression in a country that considers itself a modern first world country is excusable because of the attitudes of medieval theocracies.

But do carry on.

America is a medieval theocracy?

My response was in keeping with the theme of this thread, in case you didn't notice the subject title...

rowan wrote:

Stones of granite wrote:

rowan wrote:
In keeping with the theme of the thread

Sadly, it's an intellectually bankrupt position to take. Basically you are saying that social regression in a country that considers itself a modern first world country is excusable because of the attitudes of medieval theocracies.

But do carry on.

America is a medieval theocracy?

My response was in keeping with the theme of this thread, in case you didn't notice the subject title...

Nothing bad that happens in Russia is allowed to be reported because worse things happen elsewhere.

I'm sure Erdogan will have a job for you if you interested.

Stones of granite wrote:

rowan wrote:

Stones of granite wrote: Sadly, it's an intellectually bankrupt position to take. Basically you are saying that social regression in a country that considers itself a modern first world country is excusable because of the attitudes of medieval theocracies.

But do carry on.

America is a medieval theocracy?

My response was in keeping with the theme of this thread, in case you didn't notice the subject title...

Nothing bad that happens in Russia is allowed to be reported because worse things happen elsewhere.

I'm sure Erdogan will have a job for you if you interested.

Of course you can criticise Russia. But I'm guessing from the subject title this thread wasn't set up for that purpose. It was set up for discussion on anti-Russian rhetoric, hence the tone of my responses - to anti-Russian rhetoric.

"According to official Russian government statistics that undoubtedly under-report the situation, a massive 40 percent of all violent crimes are committed within the family. This correlates to 36,000 women being beaten by their partners every day and 26,000 children being assaulted by their parents every year.

Larisa Ponarina, deputy director of the Anna Center, an NGO helping victims of domestic violence, suggests that more than 14,000 women die every year as a result of domestic abuse."

https://themoscowtimes.com/articles/if- ... -you-54866

All rhetoric of course.

canta_brian wrote:"According to official Russian government statistics that undoubtedly under-report the situation, a massive 40 percent of all violent crimes are committed within the family. This correlates to 36,000 women being beaten by their partners every day and 26,000 children being assaulted by their parents every year.

Larisa Ponarina, deputy director of the Anna Center, an NGO helping victims of domestic violence, suggests that more than 14,000 women die every year as a result of domestic abuse."

https://themoscowtimes.com/articles/if- ... -you-54866

All rhetoric of course.

Yes, this only happens in Russia. There is absolutely no violence against women in the West at all, for instance. Zero.

Also, it is interesting that statistics on children never actually point out that the vast majority of offenders are women (mothers), thereby giving the misleading impression this is also a predominantly male crime when the reverse more often applies.

This is the kind of bullshit children in the West are brainwashed with from the day they are born ...

rowan wrote:

canta_brian wrote:"According to official Russian government statistics that undoubtedly under-report the situation, a massive 40 percent of all violent crimes are committed within the family. This correlates to 36,000 women being beaten by their partners every day and 26,000 children being assaulted by their parents every year.

Larisa Ponarina, deputy director of the Anna Center, an NGO helping victims of domestic violence, suggests that more than 14,000 women die every year as a result of domestic abuse."

https://themoscowtimes.com/articles/if- ... -you-54866

All rhetoric of course.

Yes, this only happens in Russia. There is absolutely no violence against women in the West at all, for instance. Zero.

Also, it is interesting that statistics on children never actually point out that the vast majority of offenders are women (mothers), thereby giving the misleading impression this is also a predominantly male crime when the reverse more often applies.

This is the kind of bullshit children in the West are brainwashed with from the day they are born ...

The 'West' isn't thinking about making it legal though bro.

Len wrote:

rowan wrote:

canta_brian wrote:"According to official Russian government statistics that undoubtedly under-report the situation, a massive 40 percent of all violent crimes are committed within the family. This correlates to 36,000 women being beaten by their partners every day and 26,000 children being assaulted by their parents every year.

Larisa Ponarina, deputy director of the Anna Center, an NGO helping victims of domestic violence, suggests that more than 14,000 women die every year as a result of domestic abuse."

https://themoscowtimes.com/articles/if- ... -you-54866

All rhetoric of course.

Yes, this only happens in Russia. There is absolutely no violence against women in the West at all, for instance. Zero.

Also, it is interesting that statistics on children never actually point out that the vast majority of offenders are women (mothers), thereby giving the misleading impression this is also a predominantly male crime when the reverse more often applies.

This is the kind of bullshit children in the West are brainwashed with from the day they are born ...

The 'West' isn't thinking about making it legal though bro.

NATO member and staunched ally Turkey very nearly legalized rape and marriage of minors, however, before a public outcry forced them to backtrack on it...

rowan wrote:

Len wrote:

rowan wrote:
Yes, this only happens in Russia. There is absolutely no violence against women in the West at all, for instance. Zero.

Also, it is interesting that statistics on children never actually point out that the vast majority of offenders are women (mothers), thereby giving the misleading impression this is also a predominantly male crime when the reverse more often applies.

This is the kind of bullshit children in the West are brainwashed with from the day they are born ...

The 'West' isn't thinking about making it legal though bro.

NATO member and staunched ally Turkey very nearly legalized rape and marriage of minors, however, before a public outcry forced them to backtrack on it...

'very nearly'

And Turkey isn't quite the west. Sometimes Turkey edges toward the west, though this isn't one of those times, but it straddles the divide from west to east in the main.

Always nice to see Rowan talking on the subject of abuse towards women whilst using a former girlfriend's name as a nom du plume in a weird (creepy?) passive aggressive manner

Digby wrote:And Turkey isn't quite the west. Sometimes Turkey edges toward the west, though this isn't one of those times, but it straddles the divide from west to east in the main.

Always nice to see Rowan talking on the subject of abuse towards women whilst using a former girlfriend's name as a nom du plume in a weird (creepy?) passive aggressive manner

Agreed. Turkey isn't remotely the West, regardless what it thinks. It doesn't even edge toward the West and right now is moving away from it at the speed of light.

Meanwhile, I am merely drawing your collection attention to the fact that this is thread about anti-Russian rhetoric, which is all you're collectively spouting. & I've never dated anyone calle Rowan, sorry to disappoint your weird and creepy imagination for you ...

rowan wrote:

Len wrote:

rowan wrote:
Yes, this only happens in Russia. There is absolutely no violence against women in the West at all, for instance. Zero.

Also, it is interesting that statistics on children never actually point out that the vast majority of offenders are women (mothers), thereby giving the misleading impression this is also a predominantly male crime when the reverse more often applies.

This is the kind of bullshit children in the West are brainwashed with from the day they are born ...

The 'West' isn't thinking about making it legal though bro.

NATO member and staunched ally Turkey very nearly legalized rape and marriage of minors, however, before a public outcry forced them to backtrack on it...

Listen you fecking eejit, Turkey backed down on passing the law after a public outcry, as you say, however if there was a
public outcry against this domestic abuse law in Russia, Putin & co would just ignore it & enact the law anyway. Erdogan may be
a bit of bastard but he still has some bit of a conscience.

cashead wrote:Did Turkey pass the law? Yes or no.

I think the only possible answer to your yes/no question goes along the lines of:

You're a clintonphile russophobe who can't read Turkish, therefore you are wrong.

You simply don't understand Turkish politics, society or culture. Erdogan's career has been a long series of defiances. When he wanted to appoint Gul as his president the army said 'no,' so Erdogan arranged a party election and Gul became his president anyway. When he wanted to change the constitution his party lost support and failed to win the majority required. ISIS then bombed a couple of peace rallies, slaughtering many young Kurds (mostly female at one), then the right wing nationalists went on the rampage, and in the re-run election Erdogan's party got its majority and is on the point of changing the constitution after all. So the fact they had to backtrack on basically legalizing rape and marriage to minors was purely academic. They'll get their way in the end, as always. & the practice remains widespread in the east of the country, so don't be surprised - at all - if the proposal resurfaces once the constitution has been changed and the presidency is transformed into a supreme authority.

Not yet. I've already explained that to you. The initial decision taken means nothing in this country, neither in terms of its implementation nor the context of future developments.

What a nugget

cashead wrote:So that's a "no," then. Not quite like Russia decriminalising domestic violence at all then, is it?

Ok, so start a thread about that. This one, so far as I can tell, was set up to address the issue of Russophobia - not to add to it. I think that's the part you're missing here. I have challenged these criticisms of Russia in accordance with what I perceive to be the theme of the thread; not because I think Russia is beyond reproach.

cashead wrote:Stop trying to police what other people post, you smarmy fuck.

It was a suggestion, not an order. I'm simply pointing out that if you post criticism of Russia on a thread intended to address anti-Russian rhetoric, expect your views to be challenged. That's the point you're so haplessly missing.

Any offences carried out in defaming Russia on this thread, other than the comments are largely directed at policies and a sick dictator rather Russia, can perhaps be downgraded to at most an administrative offence.

How very apt that a thread about Russia is only allowed to contain posts in support of Russia.

rowan wrote:

cashead wrote:So that's a "no," then. Not quite like Russia decriminalising domestic violence at all then, is it?

Ok, so start a thread about that. This one, so far as I can tell, was set up to address the issue of Russophobia - not to add to it. I think that's the part you're missing here. I have challenged these criticisms of Russia in accordance with what I perceive to be the theme of the thread; not because I think Russia is beyond reproach.

Then criticise them when they do something like the domestic abuse law not defend them by posting about something that might
or might noty happen in another country. You go on & on about people blindly following/supporting the West & yet you do the
same with regards to Russia

As I have said before you can post some thought provoking & interesting stuff on here & think you are an intelligent person
but you do yourself no favours by being so hypocritical

belgarion wrote:

rowan wrote:

cashead wrote:So that's a "no," then. Not quite like Russia decriminalising domestic violence at all then, is it?

Ok, so start a thread about that. This one, so far as I can tell, was set up to address the issue of Russophobia - not to add to it. I think that's the part you're missing here. I have challenged these criticisms of Russia in accordance with what I perceive to be the theme of the thread; not because I think Russia is beyond reproach.

Then criticise them when they do something like the domestic abuse law not defend them by posting about something that might
or might noty happen in another country. You go on & on about people blindly following/supporting the West & yet you do the
same with regards to Russia

As I have said before you can post some thought provoking & interesting stuff on here & think you are an intelligent person
but you do yourself no favours by being so hypocritical

Haplessly missing the point also. I'm responding in accordance with the spirit of the thread, which is to address anti-Russian rhetoric, not support it.

I don't blindly follow Russia. You don't have a clue what most of my views about Russia are. On another thread this morning I was actually discussing Eastern European Russophobia without attempting to defend them.

So who's the hypocrite here?

Any offences carried out in defaming Russia on this thread, other than the comments are largely directed at policies and a sick dictator rather Russia, can perhaps be downgraded to at most an administrative offence.

Sick dictators are being supported by the West all over the world. So you problem with Putin and Russia is clearly not this, or we would be reading your daily rants on many other countries here as well.

So who's the hypocrite here?

How very apt that a thread about Russia is only allowed to contain posts in support of Russia.

Haplessly missing the point also. It's not for me to decide, but I'd say that posts critical of Russia are certainly allowed here and everywhere else. But on a thread set up to address Russophobian sentiment, Russophobian comments are not going to go unchallenged. That's a delusion.

So who's the hypocrite here?

rowan wrote:

belgarion wrote:

rowan wrote:
Ok, so start a thread about that. This one, so far as I can tell, was set up to address the issue of Russophobia - not to add to it. I think that's the part you're missing here. I have challenged these criticisms of Russia in accordance with what I perceive to be the theme of the thread; not because I think Russia is beyond reproach.

Then criticise them when they do something like the domestic abuse law not defend them by posting about something that might
or might noty happen in another country. You go on & on about people blindly following/supporting the West & yet you do the
same with regards to Russia

As I have said before you can post some thought provoking & interesting stuff on here & think you are an intelligent person
but you do yourself no favours by being so hypocritical

How very apt that a thread about Russia is only allowed to contain posts in support of Russia.

Haplessly missing the point also. It's not for me to decide, but I'd say that posts critical of Russia are certainly allowed here and everywhere else. But on a thread set up to address Russophobian sentiment, Russophobian comments are not going to go unchallenged. That's a delusion.

So who's the hypocrite here?

I think you may be missing the point on this one. I found it amusing that you didn't want any dissenting voices on a thread about a country that comes down very hard on dissenting voices.

Mellsblue wrote:

rowan wrote:

belgarion wrote:
Then criticise them when they do something like the domestic abuse law not defend them by posting about something that might
or might noty happen in another country. You go on & on about people blindly following/supporting the West & yet you do the
same with regards to Russia

As I have said before you can post some thought provoking & interesting stuff on here & think you are an intelligent person
but you do yourself no favours by being so hypocritical

How very apt that a thread about Russia is only allowed to contain posts in support of Russia.

Haplessly missing the point also. It's not for me to decide, but I'd say that posts critical of Russia are certainly allowed here and everywhere else. But on a thread set up to address Russophobian sentiment, Russophobian comments are not going to go unchallenged. That's a delusion.

So who's the hypocrite here?

I think you may be missing the point on this one. I found it amusing that you didn't want any dissenting voices on a thread about a country that comes down very hard on dissenting voices.

You need to read the title of the thread, chum. It's clear as daylight. I'm addressing anti-Russian rhetoric. You're generating it then attempting to defend it with yet more anti-Russian rhetoric. That's because you have been brainwashed into a state of Russophobic hatred. That's not healthy - not for you nor anyone.