RugbyRebels

canta_brian wrote:

Puja wrote:

Digby wrote:
And there is for all I think people should want a competent national health service, because it's cheaper, fairer and far more beneficial to society and the economy there is if people don't want it they are entitled to vote for what they want and indeed don't want. Unless someone has a better idea than allowing all adults (pretty much) the vote

Doesn't polling show a majority of Americans support a Medicare for All program? It's the weird electoral system that gives more importance to Iowa voters than California voters which means it doesn't get enacted.

Puja

I have vague recollections that Americans pay more in tax for the Public Health Service they don’t have than Brits do for the NHS.

Medicare and Medicaid are paid for by taxes. Then you pay additional "tax" for private health insurance. Genius.

So... this Biden guy seems like a fucking chump, huh?

canta_brian wrote:

Puja wrote:

Digby wrote:
And there is for all I think people should want a competent national health service, because it's cheaper, fairer and far more beneficial to society and the economy there is if people don't want it they are entitled to vote for what they want and indeed don't want. Unless someone has a better idea than allowing all adults (pretty much) the vote

Doesn't polling show a majority of Americans support a Medicare for All program? It's the weird electoral system that gives more importance to Iowa voters than California voters which means it doesn't get enacted.

Puja

I have vague recollections that Americans pay more in tax for the Public Health Service they don’t have than Brits do for the NHS.

Cummatively they pay far more, and typically for worse outcomes/more expensive treatments with more people seen at more acute stages. That impacts both the health and finances of individuals and families and is hugely disruptive to the economy taken as a whole. There's really no way to look at it other than it's a square wheel and it only properly serves those taking large chunks of money out of the system and the top 5% in society.

But within the political structures they have they keep voting to keep it in place. Interesting too just how much of that support often comes from the unions, and not just from the HMOs

The system is bizarre. Obamacare required insc companies to limit non-medical portion of costs to 20% or less. Which they struggled to do. Even then, that means that an $80 procedure will cost you $100 to pay for the pencil pushers.

Also, if you have insc, you get the negotiated rate. i.e. a doc visit might be $180. If you have insc, you get the negotiated rate of $125. Of course you have a $2,000 deductible, so you pay the $125 out of pocket. If you don't have any health insc, you pay the non-negotiated rate of $180. The worst off pay the most.

Medicaid and Medicare run on a fraction of the admin costs of the HMOs. And yet from the normal coverage in many media outlets you'd get the impression private can be equated with efficient and the public services with waste

cashead wrote:How it started


How it's going

Goes back to the founding myths of America - that confusion between being the persecutor and the persecuted.
The puritans fled "persecution" in the UK - usually neglecting to mention that the persecution they were fleeing was that their right to persecute non-puritans wasn't being tolerated.

That woman is sickening to listen to, but is a fair representation of how many white people view themselves with respect to the law.


I wish something could also be done about media personalities that make a living pushing race war such as that baked alaska idiot. The authorities have really taken their eyes off the ball there.

The evolution of a moron movement, kick started by people freaking out over the possibility of a black president, and formalised by a cynically profitable media niche giving rise to the McCain/Palin ticket. The rot set in.

Guiliani defending his "trial by combat" pep talk immediately prior to the storming of the capitol:

Defending his rally remarks, Giuliani has said that he was quoting from the HBO series Game Of Thrones, which he inexplicably described as a 'famous documentary about fictitious medieval England.'

'I was referencing the kind of trial that took place for Tyrion,' Giuliani told The Hill, referring to a character from the series.

morepork wrote:Guiliani defending his "trial by combat" pep talk immediately prior to the storming of the capitol:

Defending his rally remarks, Giuliani has said that he was quoting from the HBO series Game Of Thrones, which he inexplicably described as a 'famous documentary about fictitious medieval England.'

'I was referencing the kind of trial that took place for Tyrion,' Giuliani told The Hill, referring to a character from the series.

Considering the decline from the Giuliani of 9/11 to this, is there a serious case to be made for some kind of dementia? I appreciate that he wasn't everyone's cup of tea as Mayor of New York, but the ability to be coherent appears to have eluded him entirely.

a famous fictional documentary sounds like it should have something to offer to Rudy, though he'd have looked hopelessly out of his depth as band manager to Spinal Tap

The Guiliani of 9/11 oversaw some pretty callous penny pinching that affected emergency services profoundly. Just ask FDNY.

morepork wrote:The Guiliani of 9/11 oversaw some pretty callous penny pinching that affected emergency services profoundly. Just ask FDNY.

I'm not suggesting that he was a saint - just more coherent and less insane.

Your being generous he's just gone off the deep end

Sandydragon wrote:

morepork wrote:The Guiliani of 9/11 oversaw some pretty callous penny pinching that affected emergency services profoundly. Just ask FDNY.

I'm not suggesting that he was a saint - just more coherent and less insane.

I see Sandy's point - he might still have been an arse, but he was capable of clothing it in some semblance of sanity and "Reaganomics". This just smacks of a sad old dotard who needs to be cared for rather than paraded in public.

Mind, you could say that about the majority of the Trump Presidency.

Puja

Puja wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:

morepork wrote:The Guiliani of 9/11 oversaw some pretty callous penny pinching that affected emergency services profoundly. Just ask FDNY.

I'm not suggesting that he was a saint - just more coherent and less insane.

I see Sandy's point - he might still have been an arse, but he was capable of clothing it in some semblance of sanity and "Reaganomics". This just smacks of a sad old dotard who needs to be cared for rather than paraded in public.

Mind, you could say that about the majority of the Trump Presidency.

Puja

Cynical is so much worse than insane.

Speaking of platitude:

Sandydragon wrote: Considering the decline from the Giuliani of 9/11 to this, is there a serious case to be made for some kind of dementia?

Yes. More than serious.

cashead wrote:


Uh, OK?

Is that squeaky's attempt at sarcasm? What am I saying, its simply a classic own goal. Will make a good sound bite for his racist radio show. What a fetid little turd he is.


Meanwhile, the Slovenian fuck trophy made entirely out of irony says:

“focus on what unites us. To rise above what divides us. To always choose love over hatred, peace over violence, and others before yourself.”


If you put these people on an island they would be inbred to the point of humane euthanasia within two generations.

That was poetic. Well done.

Racist until the last breath. A white washing of American history that sweeps inconvenient truths under the stale rug of unequal privilege.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/u ... Report.pdf

Thick with irony that would choke a rational palate. Not a single mention of indigenous Americans either. A template for irresponsibility and a rallying call for all who fear the diversity that is the heart beat of the USA.

This is the legacy of the outgoing administration, and like that administration, it needs consigning to the dust heap of history.


Fuck these people. Fuck them.

She’s talking to you, MP.

Home schooled.

morepork wrote:Home schooled.

No, no - she gets regularly schooled on the internet as well.

Puja

cashead wrote:

morepork wrote:

cashead wrote:


Uh, OK?

Is that squeaky's attempt at sarcasm? What am I saying, its simply a classic own goal. Will make a good sound bite for his racist radio show. What a fetid little turd he is.

That's the thing with chuds. They look at shit that's actually fine, and shit their pants.

This shitcunt is bankrolled by the Kochs - chuds often immediately scream and wail and gnash their teeth about George Soros, when you've got the Cocks doing exactly what they accuse Soros of. It's always projection with these fuckbags.

morepork wrote:Meanwhile, the Slovenian fuck trophy made entirely out of irony says:

“focus on what unites us. To rise above what divides us. To always choose love over hatred, peace over violence, and others before yourself.”


If you put these people on an island they would be inbred to the point of humane euthanasia within two generations.

Here's the only appropriate response to what that waste of skin has to say.

lol, I just misread the last line...

Because it sounded like: Hey that's fucking great.

Lol again.

morepork wrote:There's no cure for being a cunt.

I beg to differ, .303 between the eyes sorts it, if you havent got a rifle then a large axe through the top of the skull.