RugbyRebels

Tell you what. People that are born into vast wealth often seem to view that material inheritance as a biological trait, passed down like some supergene that marks them as superior. You can't alter the laws of nature armed with nothing but a brain stem and vast quantities of someone else's money. Fucker appeared ignorant of the fact that clinical trials are part of the drug development process. You are right, it is fucking sad.

morepork wrote:You could start by having a functional public broadcaster that isn't Fox Gnus.

Speaking of stupid, I have just seen the exchange between him and Pharma execs, with the room trying so hard to help him process the concept of drug development and testing in requisite phases for both safety and efficacy, and he just couldn't do it. At one point he asked if a current "strong" flu vaccine would work against the "corona". There are landmarks in biology that are the foundation of how medicine is conducted today. Elucidation of the structure of DNA was one, and Vaccination is another. You'd think someone would take the time to grasp the fundamentals of vaccination before subjecting themself to live public humiliation.

Watching it now and can't help feeling that everyone was threatened with death unless they said what a great leader he is when they introduced themselves [emoji848]

You can tell by that blank look on Trump's face that he has no fucking idea what is going on. When he folds his arms, you know that he knows he has no idea what is going on, but wants to appear causally intelligent.

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His earnest impressions of an informed and engaged participant are adorable.

That video of Biden could only be improved if had forgotten to put on some trousers before stepping on stage.

Fuck Twitter

@Morepork
You're gonna love this...
Trump asked pharmaceutical execs if the flu vaccine could be used to stop the coronavirus.

Which Tyler wrote:@Morepork
You're gonna love this...
Trump asked pharmaceutical execs if the flu vaccine could be used to stop the coronavirus.

I mean that would be an acceptable question from a layperson that had just entered the room, but is not for someone who had scheduled a meeting with authority with the express purpose of tabling practical strategies to combat infection. It’s just fucking lazy. The CDC is a shit kicking entity and has vast expertise at its disposal, but his queries were clearly directed at saving money as a priority and quite obviously dismissed the expertise available. It’s an untenable point of focus.

morepork wrote:

Which Tyler wrote:@Morepork
You're gonna love this...
Trump asked pharmaceutical execs if the flu vaccine could be used to stop the coronavirus.

I mean that would be an acceptable question from a layperson that had just entered the room, but is not for someone who had scheduled a meeting with authority with the express purpose of tabling practical strategies to combat infection. It’s just fucking lazy. The CDC is a shit kicking entity and has vast expertise at its disposal, but his queries were clearly directed at saving money as a priority and quite obviously dismissed the expertise available. It’s an untenable point of focus.

We'll see if we can fast track a vaccine...

Trump is clearly using it as an election boost.

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Anyone watching super Tuesday? Does Sanders have any hope? C'mon Bernie, fuck shit up.

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What's up with Biden?

Are we seeing unfavourable edits of speeches or is this shit for real?

If it's real, wtf is going on? How on earth can the dems hope he can beat Trump?

Is Trump staying in better than Bernie having a crack?

So many questions.

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The feeling is that if Bernie gets the nomination, Trump stays in.

And if you are worried about Biden, think that Trump has already desensitized everyone.

Going back to the primaries, what i I see is that the Dems are thinking in priority order. First, beat Trump: that is the only priority right now. Also this Sanders is worse than the one 4 years ago, going on trumpian. He will never ever reach the peaks of the current president, but he is mimicking some aspects.

America's scared of change.

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morepork wrote:That video of Biden could only be improved if had forgotten to put on some trousers before stepping on stage.

Fuck Twitter

Whilst I do actually agree it’s a mess and destroying people’s brains (see any of my other posts in this thread) I’m not sure what time it is you’re harking back to where the general public were more discerning about the information they consume?

Unless there is some mystical source of news, under no outside influence/funding and deemed unbiased by all I don’t see what difference it will make at this point.

Twitter is weird because you’ve suddenly brought the comments sections of the guardian and the daily mail together in one place. It sends some people further into the wormhole to be exposed to so much dodgy rhetoric and disinformation, but for some it’s the only time they will see an opinion/fact contrary to theirs.

There are people who are able to look at this stuff and decide for themselves what they believe or trust, and those who are just looking to reaffirm their existing prejudices. I don’t imagine that’s ever been different or ever will be, whether it’s people reading Breitbart or just chatting to some randomer in the pub. These people will always exist.

It’s a grim situation and I don’t know what the answer is. Are we not just seeing the effect of people that are having fewer real world experiences/interactions, relying more and more on (and being manipulated by) sensationalist media of every kind?

Mikey Brown wrote:

morepork wrote:That video of Biden could only be improved if had forgotten to put on some trousers before stepping on stage.

Fuck Twitter

Whilst I do actually agree it’s a mess and destroying people’s brains (see any of my other posts in this thread) I’m not sure what time it is you’re harking back to where the general public were more discerning about the information they consume?

Unless there is some mystical source of news, under no outside influence/funding and deemed unbiased by all I don’t see what difference it will make at this point.

Twitter is weird because you’ve suddenly brought the comments sections of the guardian and the daily mail together in one place. It sends some people further into the wormhole to be exposed to so much dodgy rhetoric and disinformation, but for some it’s the only time they will see an opinion/fact contrary to theirs.

There are people who are able to look at this stuff and decide for themselves what they believe or trust, and those who are just looking to reaffirm their existing prejudices. I don’t imagine that’s ever been different or ever will be, whether it’s people reading Breitbart or just chatting to some randomer in the pub. These people will always exist.

It’s a grim situation and I don’t know what the answer is. Are we not just seeing the effect of people that are having fewer real world experiences/interactions, relying more and more on (and being manipulated by) sensationalist media of every kind?

Hey, we're lucky. There are 1001 different media sources for English speakers. You can find claims, counter-claims, facts and figures, official documentation, and so on.

If you're a Hungarian speaker who doesn't speak English...well then you probably believe Coronavirus was created in a secret Jewish death lab by George Soros in order to prepare Europe for invasion by the Muslims.

And the contradictory voices are on very, very unofficial and very, very poor looking websites. Places that just don't scream trustworthiness. The kind of places Rowan would post about.

It's arse about face.

Warren parroting the Republican lines on Bernie seems to be paying off for Biden.

What a demented cripple fight this is going to be between Biden and Trump.

Mikey Brown wrote:Warren parroting the Republican lines on Bernie seems to be paying off for Biden.

What a demented cripple fight this is going to be between Biden and Trump.

It's hardly a done thing on the Democratic nomination front, even before Warren could yet be the kingmaker

Mikey Brown wrote:Warren parroting the Republican lines on Bernie seems to be paying off for Biden.

What a demented cripple fight this is going to be between Biden and Trump.

Hate to say it, but Biden has a better chance of defeating Trump than Bernie from what I can see. Though I am brainwashed by the meedja obvs.

Banquo wrote:

Mikey Brown wrote:Warren parroting the Republican lines on Bernie seems to be paying off for Biden.

What a demented cripple fight this is going to be between Biden and Trump.

Hate to say it, but Biden has a better chance of defeating Trump than Bernie from what I can see. Though I am brainwashed by the meedja obvs.

I do like the media are now able to call Biden the young man of Democratic politics in his race with Sanders to win the nomination. China exporting more than cheap clothing

Banquo wrote:

Mikey Brown wrote:Warren parroting the Republican lines on Bernie seems to be paying off for Biden.

What a demented cripple fight this is going to be between Biden and Trump.

Hate to say it, but Biden has a better chance of defeating Trump than Bernie from what I can see. Though I am brainwashed by the meedja obvs.

I think his brain has decayed even further than Trump's, and large amount of his support seems to be with those who are near enough Republicans, or just think he's cool/good because he was mates with Obama. That could swing either way I guess. He might grab some votes from those who are disillusioned with Trump, but offering the status quo without all the fun right-wing talking points (guns, abortion, immigration, antifa) I don't see what is going to be his USP, aside from loving war and Mitch McConnel. Surely people will see through his 'return to civility' schtick? The guy is a fucking cunt.

That's not to say he won't be the next president.

Mikey Brown wrote:

Banquo wrote:

Mikey Brown wrote:Warren parroting the Republican lines on Bernie seems to be paying off for Biden.

What a demented cripple fight this is going to be between Biden and Trump.

Hate to say it, but Biden has a better chance of defeating Trump than Bernie from what I can see. Though I am brainwashed by the meedja obvs.

I think his brain has decayed even further than Trump's, and large amount of his support seems to be with those who are near enough Republicans, or just think he's cool/good because he was mates with Obama. That could swing either way I guess. He might grab some votes from those who are disillusioned with Trump, but offering the status quo without all the fun right-wing talking points (guns, abortion, immigration, antifa) I don't see what is going to be his USP, aside from loving war and Mitch McConnel. Surely people will see through his 'return to civility' schtick? The guy is a fucking cunt.

That's not to say he won't be the next president.

I'm just saying he has a better chance than Bernie, rightly or wrongly.

That's fair. The annoyance in that response wasn't directed at you, more the fact that you may be correct.

I just thought we were past the point Biden was a realistic contender.

I'm also irritated that I seem to care, either way.

I thought Biden was a busted flush a few weeks back. Not sure he's mentally degrading though, I was never impressed to begin with and he's already served his purpose of making Obama less scary to white people, much more should be expected from a candidate than not being a shit of a person

It's just impossible to look at this Democratic race as anything but a stitch up, tbh.

Now Bloomberg has gone, after spending $500m making the other candidates look good.

Meanwhile, Warren, who was last in most states, is still going, presumably to take votes away from Sanders.

It just feels like the Dems decided they wanted Biden and have done everything possible to make sure it's him.

A stitch up?

in 2016 Bernie struggled with black voters and voters over 60, after 4 years of talking to people who already liked him he's struggled with black voters and voters over 60. He can turn this around, though the move from caucus to primary isn't so far helping him and there's more of those switched states to come. And Warren may yet throw in behind Sanders, unless Bernie throws in behind her of course

Oaky Bernie needs a surprise win from somewhere, but we've just been surprised by the comeback geriatric

Stom wrote:It's just impossible to look at this Democratic race as anything but a stitch up, tbh.

Now Bloomberg has gone, after spending $500m making the other candidates look good.

Meanwhile, Warren, who was last in most states, is still going, presumably to take votes away from Sanders.

It just feels like the Dems decided they wanted Biden and have done everything possible to make sure it's him.

You know, it is their primary. They are voting, they are choosing. And right now, the choice is between Biden and Sanders. The moderate wing completed their consolidation, the progressive wing did not. A lot to do with Sanders, his campaign, his supporters and the way they go about their business: Trumpian.

Sanders started, literally, a blood feud with Warren; his supporters upped it by 2-3 notches. Difficult to see how she can now endorse him, or how her voters would automatically shift to Sanders. After all, Warren is the Policy Master, while Sanders now suggests he will depenalize and make legal marijuana by executive order in all 50 states (he cannot, just like Trump couldn’t have Mexico pay for the wall).

Sanders got his hardened base, just like Trump. And that base acts similarly to the Trump one. However it looks like it is comparatively smaller to the size of the party than Trump’s. They are belligerant but also alienating the rest. This is No way to unify the party: Biden is already in that phase, Sanders should start now.

The primary is no way over. Still time for the pendulum to swing.

Yeah it doesn't appear Bloomberg actually gives a shit about winning, it's just easily worth $500m to him to keep the most right wing candidates in the race.