RugbyRebels

Yet another public servant attempting to cash in on the tired misdirected "woke" trope. Is this really the limit of nuance in policy debate? Just fuck these people.

Son of Mathonwy wrote:

Puja wrote:Jesus Fuck, Liz: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ke-culture

This bit especially:

At the same time, she set out her own view of Jewish values, saying: “So many Jewish values are Conservative values and British values too, for example seeing the importance of family and always taking steps to protect the family unit; and the value of hard work and self-starting and setting up your own business.

Liz Truss worries about racism against those Jewish people who she knows just want to be left alone to start businesses and earn lots of money. Spectacular.

Puja

I'm just waiting to hear her explain what Welsh values are. If she can stereotype Jews then it's my right as a Welshman to be similarly stereotyped.

If she manages to avoid ovine references then she'll already be less racist than the majority of the English.

Son of Mathonwy wrote:

Puja wrote:Jesus Fuck, Liz: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ke-culture

This bit especially:

At the same time, she set out her own view of Jewish values, saying: “So many Jewish values are Conservative values and British values too, for example seeing the importance of family and always taking steps to protect the family unit; and the value of hard work and self-starting and setting up your own business.

Liz Truss worries about racism against those Jewish people who she knows just want to be left alone to start businesses and earn lots of money. Spectacular.

Puja

As you highlight, she is actually enacting an example of contemporary antisemitism according to the IHRA:

• Making mendacious, dehumanizing, demonizing, or stereotypical
allegations about Jews as such or the power of Jews as collective —
such as, especially but not exclusively, the myth about a world Jewish
conspiracy or of Jews controlling the media, economy, government or
other societal institutions.

(Obviously the IHRA working definition is ridiculous, but Truss's government is signed up to it.)

I think her tortured stretch to link the Civil Service anti-semitism also requires a belief that criticism of Israel is the same as criticism of Jews, which is also anti-semitism according to the IHRA.

Really, it's just incredibly special all around. She's not playing to us though; she's playing to the 180k Conservative party members that're voting between her and Sunak and, frankly, thome members are only really anti-anti-semitism because they've been told that's a bad Labour thing by the Times and Telegraph. I'm surprised she didn't chuck "socialist" into the word salad as well.

Puja

Puja wrote:

Son of Mathonwy wrote:

Puja wrote:Jesus Fuck, Liz: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ke-culture

This bit especially:

Liz Truss worries about racism against those Jewish people who she knows just want to be left alone to start businesses and earn lots of money. Spectacular.

Puja

As you highlight, she is actually enacting an example of contemporary antisemitism according to the IHRA:

• Making mendacious, dehumanizing, demonizing, or stereotypical
allegations about Jews as such or the power of Jews as collective —
such as, especially but not exclusively, the myth about a world Jewish
conspiracy or of Jews controlling the media, economy, government or
other societal institutions.

(Obviously the IHRA working definition is ridiculous, but Truss's government is signed up to it.)

I think her tortured stretch to link the Civil Service anti-semitism also requires a belief that criticism of Israel is the same as criticism of Jews, which is also anti-semitism according to the IHRA.

Really, it's just incredibly special all around. She's not playing to us though; she's playing to the 180k Conservative party members that're voting between her and Sunak and, frankly, thome members are only really anti-anti-semitism because they've been told that's a bad Labour thing by the Times and Telegraph. I'm surprised she didn't chuck "socialist" into the word salad as well.

Puja

Yup, it's amazing how many would-be anti-antisemites actually show themselves to be the opposite by that method.

Any stick to beat the civil service with will do. After all, with a country in this bad shape after 12 years of Tory rule there has to be some reason. Other than the obvious one.

Truss has it sewn up with a 22 point lead:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... e-minister

But two thirds of Tory members would prefer Johnson back! Hilarious.

Also, as in the country as a whole, so to in the microcosm of the Tory party, the old fuck over the young:

Truss’s support is particularly strong among older Conservative members, while Sunak’s is far higher among younger ones. Among over-65s Truss is 40 points ahead, whereas she is eight points behind Sunak among the under-50s.

All that Thatcher cosplay has done its work.

Son of Mathonwy wrote:Truss has it sewn up with a 22 point lead:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... e-minister

But two thirds of Tory members would prefer Johnson back! Hilarious.

Also, as in the country as a whole, so to in the microcosm of the Tory party, the old fuck over the young:

Truss’s support is particularly strong among older Conservative members, while Sunak’s is far higher among younger ones. Among over-65s Truss is 40 points ahead, whereas she is eight points behind Sunak among the under-50s.

All that Thatcher cosplay has done its work.

2% of those polled were willing to admit that the main reason they supported Truss because she was white/British/English. And that's just those for whom race (and nationality, apparently?!) was the main factor, not taking into account those for whom it was an important secondary consideration or those who didn't feel like admitting it on a survey.

These are the people choosing our next Prime Minister.

Puja

Puja wrote:

Son of Mathonwy wrote:Truss has it sewn up with a 22 point lead:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... e-minister

But two thirds of Tory members would prefer Johnson back! Hilarious.

Also, as in the country as a whole, so to in the microcosm of the Tory party, the old fuck over the young:

Truss’s support is particularly strong among older Conservative members, while Sunak’s is far higher among younger ones. Among over-65s Truss is 40 points ahead, whereas she is eight points behind Sunak among the under-50s.

All that Thatcher cosplay has done its work.

2% of those polled were willing to admit that the main reason they supported Truss because she was white/British/English. And that's just those for whom race (and nationality, apparently?!) was the main factor, not taking into account those for whom it was an important secondary consideration or those who didn't feel like admitting it on a survey.

These are the people choosing our next Prime Minister.

Puja

Being uncharacteristically charitable, I think a small part of that 2% might have some vaguely legitimate concerns about Sunak's commitment to the UK, what with his recent green card status and his non-dom wife. On the less charitable side, for every one who was willing to admit to racism, I'm sure plenty more were less honest (with the survey and/or themselves).

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UK civil servants have been ordered to trawl through the social media accounts of guest speakers at one government ministry, including going back up to five years to see if they have ever criticised government policy, as part of a new vetting process.
The new Cabinet Office rules cover the vetting of outsiders coming into the department to take part in “learning and development” events and urge managers to carefully check the backgrounds of such guests.
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Shocking revelations

Which Tyler wrote:Shocking revelations

And ironic from a government that proudly signed an agreement which . . . drove a wedge between Northern Ireland and Great Britain.

I wonder what great revelations Truss might make about the SNP??

Son of Mathonwy wrote:

Which Tyler wrote:Shocking revelations

And ironic from a government that proudly signed an agreement which . . . drove a wedge between Northern Ireland and Great Britain.

I wonder what great revelations Truss might make about the SNP??

Truss went to Oxford university. Honestly it makes you wonder doesn’t it.

canta_brian wrote:

Son of Mathonwy wrote:

Which Tyler wrote:Shocking revelations

And ironic from a government that proudly signed an agreement which . . . drove a wedge between Northern Ireland and Great Britain.

I wonder what great revelations Truss might make about the SNP??

Truss went to Oxford university. Honestly it makes you wonder doesn’t it.

I don't think Truss is as dim as she often appears, however it doesn't take great genius to get a PPE degree - just a relatively shallow knowledge of politics, philosophy and economics.

Is that actually accurate?

Mikey Brown wrote:Is that actually accurate?

A bit of research suggests that it's sort of true without really meaning what Ken is implying. The price cap in some EU countries is £37 per mega watt hour, however that is not an EU-wide restriction and, if we were in the EU, our cap would not be £37. The lower figure is partly because the continental electricity market is much more interconnected, so they can spread demand and acquire cheaper energy, partly because of more sensible policies on energy in the last 10 years, and partly because they pay for their energy in Euros, which haven't undergone an inexplicable yet dramatic drop in value against the dollar over the past 6 years.

So yeah, partly Brexit, but not in the way he's implying.

Puja

She's going to destroy the Tories but it's going to be a tough 2 years with long-lasting damage.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ction-plan

Son of Mathonwy wrote:She's going to destroy the Tories but it's going to be a tough 2 years with long-lasting damage.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ction-plan

Dear god, what a fucking dinosaur. Tax cuts. Any details or justification, no, because tax cuts.

She's a puppet.
An empty suit.
She says what she's told to say.

If she's put on the spot, with no-one in her ear, she'll say what her handlers say - which isn't necessarily what they want her to admit.

This is the downside of what they wanted. They need to keep her away from "thinking" on her feet, at least until they've got her properly trained.

Truss it is.. 80k. vs. 60k.
economic growth it is then..no problem.

I'm actually quite worried that she'll leap upon an easy, populist policy, like freezing the energy price cap funded solely by borrowing, get a massive popularity boost by being the face of change that saved the average Briton (amplified by the Mail and Sun), and then saunter through a spring 2023 election to give us 5 more years of enriching the shareholders at the expense of the country,

Puja

Puja wrote:I'm actually quite worried that she'll leap upon an easy, populist policy, like freezing the energy price cap funded solely by borrowing, get a massive popularity boost by being the face of change that saved the average Briton (amplified by the Mail and Sun), and then saunter through a spring 2023 election to give us 5 more years of enriching the shareholders at the expense of the country,

Puja

Entirely possible; if she can demonstrate a fix for that she will get a lot of support.

Puja wrote:I'm actually quite worried that she'll leap upon an easy, populist policy, like freezing the energy price cap funded solely by borrowing, get a massive popularity boost by being the face of change that saved the average Briton (amplified by the Mail and Sun), and then saunter through a spring 2023 election to give us 5 more years of enriching the shareholders at the expense of the country,

Puja

sounds like she's going to adopt the Energy companies suggestion of loaning them money in order to cap prices. None of the solutions are great in fairness.

The French press already referring to her as "The Iron Weathervane" which I do enjoy.

Puja

Banquo wrote:

Puja wrote:I'm actually quite worried that she'll leap upon an easy, populist policy, like freezing the energy price cap funded solely by borrowing, get a massive popularity boost by being the face of change that saved the average Briton (amplified by the Mail and Sun), and then saunter through a spring 2023 election to give us 5 more years of enriching the shareholders at the expense of the country,

Puja

sounds like she's going to adopt the Energy companies suggestion of loaning them money in order to cap prices. None of the solutions are great in fairness.

That’s probably the quickest solution to this mess.