RugbyRebels

Panorama tonight is well worth catching up on if you fancy being embarrassed to be British and fancy being angry at banks, criminals and politicians/regulators who are too often indistinguishable in pursuit of money laundering. It's all already known and only a tip of the iceberg, but it's worth keeping in mind it's a horrendous absuse of our capital system in pursuit of nothing bar greed.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m ... d-powerful

I mention this on the Brexit thread because getting us out of the EU before reporting came in on the sort of affair was seemingly when the Tory party lurched from having a lunatic fringe pushing anti EU ramblings that was largely ignored to being a matter of national interest.

Brexit, tough on investigating crime, tough on the causes of investigating crime.

Just terrific news that deal or no deal lorries will soon need permission to enter Kent. I suppose it does at least remove some of the concerns around having border issues on the border, but it's crappy solution to a problem that was never needed

Digby wrote:Just terrific news that deal or no deal lorries will soon need permission to enter Kent. I suppose it does at least remove some of the concerns around having border issues on the border, but it's crappy solution to a problem that was never needed

Interesting that a border down the Irish Sea is unacceptable but one between Kent and the rest of Great Britain is fine.

Imagine if the EU was imposing this Kent 'lorry border' on the UK. imagine what Boris and the Tory press would be saying.

Son of Mathonwy wrote:

Digby wrote:Just terrific news that deal or no deal lorries will soon need permission to enter Kent. I suppose it does at least remove some of the concerns around having border issues on the border, but it's crappy solution to a problem that was never needed

Interesting that a border down the Irish Sea is unacceptable but one between Kent and the rest of Great Britain is fine.

Imagine if the EU was imposing this Kent 'lorry border' on the UK. imagine what Boris and the Tory press would be saying.

It's just very, very weird. Still, gotta love the new (old?) blue (nearly black) passports being made in France, so it's all totally worth it

After spending the last few weeks telling the whole world that were going to deliberately and knowingly break the law, we now seem surprised that the EU is taking legal action against us.

I'm sure we hold all the cards again though.

Mind, I'm not sure how useful cards are when we seem to be playing Russian Roulette... with all 6 bullets in situ.

is that there'll be no list because we'll fold to EU demands that we meet the terms of the deal we made and signed up to, or that one item does not a series make, or that there'll be a list but it's a secret list?

Digby wrote:is that there'll be no list because we'll fold to EU demands that we meet the terms of the deal we made and signed up to, or that one item does not a series make, or that there'll be a list but it's a secret list?

That depends on how much has been leaked, and whether they need a dead at to distract people with.

I wonder how the EU's legal action will play with the voters.

Obviously to Brexiteers it will simply demonstrate how treacherous the Europeans are. And remainers will not begrudge the EU from taking action permitted in Boris's oven-ready deal.

But the undecided ... how will they see it, I wonder*? I've got a horrible suspicion that this kind of apparent (although entirely understandable) antagonism from the EU will make it easy to paint them as the bad guys (at least for those who are uninformed/uninterested in politics).


*And it's this kind of question which leads directly to the current attempts to install some delightful chaps to powerful media positions.

Son of Mathonwy wrote:I wonder how the EU's legal action will play with the voters.

Obviously to Brexiteers it will simply demonstrate how treacherous the Europeans are. And remainers will not begrudge the EU from taking action permitted in Boris's oven-ready deal.

But the undecided ... how will they see it, I wonder*? I've got a horrible suspicion that this kind of apparent (although entirely understandable) antagonism from the EU will make it easy to paint them as the bad guys (at least for those who are uninformed/uninterested in politics).


*And it's this kind of question which leads directly to the current attempts to install some delightful chaps to powerful media positions.

It will definitely increase anti EU sentiment. Pretty much guaranteed.

A Brexit deal that's oven-ready.

Puja

Puja wrote:A Brexit deal that's oven-ready.

Puja

The bullshitter can't bring himself to say no deal. Still trying to confuse the ignorant with the idea that we'll have an "Australia-style deal".

Puja wrote:A Brexit deal that's oven-ready.

Puja

Typical food ready to serve. Looks good then the taste let’s you down.

I’m convinced that no deal was the objective from the beginning. If they were prepared to cut NI loose then throwing our fishermen over the side wouldn’t have been an issue. The hard Brexiteers have got what they wanted, despite that not being what the leave campaigns campaigned for.

The UK's credit rating is now 3 notches down since 2016, from AAA, to AA1, to AA2 and now to AA3.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... h-concerns

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Puja wrote:A Brexit deal that's oven-ready.

Puja

Jesus Christ, I'd almost forgotten about the EU referendum. It feels like that happened a lifetime ago.

cashead wrote:

Puja wrote:A Brexit deal that's oven-ready.

Puja

Jesus Christ, I'd almost forgotten about the EU referendum. It feels like that happened a lifetime ago.

Oh no, that little titbit was Boris's claim ahead of the General Election last November, when he ran on "Get Brexit Done" and claimed to have a withdrawal deal that was "oven ready" and just needed to be ratified if he and his party were voted in.

Shockingly, that doesn't seem to have happened; not sure why.

Puja

So soy sauce (or soya sauce as the Department for International Trade calls it) will be cheaper so say DIT thanks to our deal with Japan. This only ignores the deal with Japan will see the same tariff, 0%, as we currently face, and further ignores that we import less than 20% of a soy sauce from Japan, most comes from Holland.

Digby wrote:So soy sauce (or soya sauce as the Department for International Trade calls it) will be cheaper so say DIT thanks to our deal with Japan. This only ignores the deal with Japan will see the same tariff, 0%, as we currently face, and further ignores that we import less than 20% of a soy sauce from Japan, most comes from Holland.

Prepare for a heavy downpour of lies from the government over the next few months.

It's a bit like the 50000 "more" nurses lie during the election campaign. "More" than what exactly? In normal human discourse, unless told otherwise we assume that "more" or "cheaper" must be a comparison with the current situation. This government isn't bound by such conventions. In other words they're a bunch of lying bastards.

Son of Mathonwy wrote:

Digby wrote:So soy sauce (or soya sauce as the Department for International Trade calls it) will be cheaper so say DIT thanks to our deal with Japan. This only ignores the deal with Japan will see the same tariff, 0%, as we currently face, and further ignores that we import less than 20% of a soy sauce from Japan, most comes from Holland.

Prepare for a heavy downpour of lies from the government over the next few months.

It's a bit like the 50000 "more" nurses lie during the election campaign. "More" than what exactly? In normal human discourse, unless told otherwise we assume that "more" or "cheaper" must be a comparison with the current situation. This government isn't bound by such conventions. In other words they're a bunch of lying bastards.

It's a little worrying to get confirmation they really are as clueless as they appear.

A 250g. bottle of Soy sauce costs about the same as the equivalent wt. jar of Marmite. (under 3 quid usually) and probably lasts a lot longer. Can't see it being a game changer.

What bothers me is they put out a tweet extolling the virtues of a deal, presumably because someone thought they needed a good news story, and the DIT thought not understanding the deal and not understanding a product was sufficient to make a declarative statement, and these same people are involved one assumes in other actions, and they clearly can't tell shit from Shinola

In essence better to remain quiet and be thought a fool than...

Also no way at our place that soy sauce lasts as long as the Marmite, partly because I'm the only one that uses the Marmite, and whilst the marmite is probably used more per week it's not used in similar quantities

Digby wrote:Also no way at our place that soy sauce lasts as long as the Marmite, partly because I'm the only one that uses the Marmite, and whilst the marmite is probably used more per week it's not used in similar quantities

Well indeed, but a traditional English cooking system probably uses soy very sparingly. I know my parents probably have a bottle left from 1999...

I also get through soy very quickly but it’s not £3 a bottle here, that’s for sure, and our vat is higher than the Uk.

Stom wrote:

Digby wrote:Also no way at our place that soy sauce lasts as long as the Marmite, partly because I'm the only one that uses the Marmite, and whilst the marmite is probably used more per week it's not used in similar quantities

Well indeed, but a traditional English cooking system probably uses soy very sparingly. I know my parents probably have a bottle left from 1999...

I also get through soy very quickly but it’s not £3 a bottle here, that’s for sure, and our vat is higher than the Uk.

I'd use it in traditional British cooking, certainly something like a beef stew, though I might be more inclined to use Worcestershire. But also all sort of dishes whether Japanese, Chinese, Malay, American, West Indian... probably used in greater quantities in marinades than in actual seasoning