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Puja wrote: ↑Thu May 01, 2025 10:04 pm

Son of Mathonwy wrote: ↑Thu May 01, 2025 7:17 pm

Which Tyler wrote: ↑Wed Apr 30, 2025 3:35 am

The whole documentary is worth watching. There's only so much Theroux I can take, and having to see the settlers up close wasn't too attractive a proposition but it's a decent show.

I don't actually understand how Louis Theroux can possibly work. This is both in the sense of him somehow consistently being able to remain stoic and unflapped in the face of some truly evil and deranged people across his documentaries (not only that, but maintain a resting "Uh-huh, I'm listening, go on" face), and also in the sense that I don't know how his subjects haven't cottoned on.

Do they lack google? Are they so cocky that they don't feel the need to even give a cursory bit of research to someone wanting to interview them? Or do they know who he is, but are filled with such a sense of moral rectitude that they are in the right that they can't conceive that they might actually be the bad guys and that, if they just explain their position, they'll be the heroes of the documentary?

No-one seems to get that him letting then proselytise is actually just giving them enough rope to hang themselves with.

Although, having praised his unflappability in the first paragraph, I understand he does lose his calm and call that woman sociopathic towards the end of the documentary, but I don't mind that as remaining completely stoic in the face of such enormity is not a virtue.

Puja

Puja wrote: ↑Thu May 01, 2025 10:04 pmAlthough, having praised his unflappability in the first paragraph, I understand he does lose his calm and call that woman sociopathic towards the end of the documentary, but I don't mind that as remaining completely stoic in the face of such enormity is not a virtue.

Son of Mathonwy wrote: ↑Thu May 01, 2025 7:17 pm

Which Tyler wrote: ↑Wed Apr 30, 2025 3:35 am

The whole documentary is worth watching. There's only so much Theroux I can take, and having to see the settlers up close wasn't too attractive a proposition but it's a decent show.

Danno wrote: ↑Thu May 08, 2025 9:12 pm "Saturday 10 May 2025

The now independent MP Richard Burgon stated that Starmer could go fuck himself on this and virtually every other issue he stands for"

Son of Mathonwy wrote: ↑Fri May 16, 2025 6:19 pm Something slightly strange is happening in the media. About a week ago we suddenly had these:

The Independent saying 'End the defending silence on Gaza - it is time to speak up'.
The FT writing of 'The West's shameful silence on Gaza'.
The Times asking 'Why we are closing our eyes to Gaza's horror?'
The Economist: 'The war in Gaza must end'.
And the BBC does seem to be (almost) condemning Israel these days and hinting at the possibility of *genocide* a little more clearly.

What is happening? Has a secret signal gone out? Has the British media discovered a conscience (after 19 months)? Do they now finally see the truth? Are they realizing that the horror of Gaza cannot be hidden and when fully revealed will brand Israel's supporters as supporters of genocide for all time?

It has been said that one day everyone will always have been against it . . . maybe that time is approaching.

It'll be a while before a friend of Israel like Keir Starmer will change course but perhaps at long last there will be a bit more pressure from the media (not all of it obviously, not the Sun or Telegraph).



Related - some analysis of the biases coverage of Gaza in the press:

https://www.newarab.com/analysis/number ... r-coverage
https://novaramedia.com/2024/08/01/we-r ... ered-gaza/

paddy no 11 wrote: ↑Sun May 18, 2025 8:12 am The Israel rigs the eurovision song contest documentary can't be far away now

Which Tyler wrote: ↑Thu May 22, 2025 10:01 am https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cy9vr10n732t

I hope to the gods that I'm being way too cynical here, but it seems awfully convenient that this has happened a day or two after EU, UK and even the US started to apply some mild pressure on Israel.

paddy no 11 wrote: ↑Thu May 22, 2025 11:28 am On the above see the quotes from moshe feiglin yesterday, where actually calls for the killing of every child in gaza

Puja wrote: ↑Thu May 22, 2025 11:37 am

paddy no 11 wrote: ↑Thu May 22, 2025 11:28 am On the above see the quotes from moshe feiglin yesterday, where actually calls for the killing of every child in gaza

Meanwhile, on the BBC, let's make sure we get quotes from someone who says ethnic cleansing isn't occurring. For balance.

Puja

Puja wrote: ↑Thu May 22, 2025 11:03 am

Which Tyler wrote: ↑Thu May 22, 2025 10:01 am https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cy9vr10n732t

I hope to the gods that I'm being way too cynical here, but it seems awfully convenient that this has happened a day or two after EU, UK and even the US started to apply some mild pressure on Israel.

I had been assuming that it was the Jeremy Corbyn problem - the complete and unquestioning orthoxy of backing Israel in the West has led to the situation that any statement of support or sympathy for Palestine is taken by anti-Semitic nutters as "Finally, someone's on our side!" (probably not helped by the Israeli government/shills loudly and continually reacting to all support for Palestine/any criticism of Israel by conflating it with hatred of Jews). So even mild criticism of an actively ongoing ethnic cleansing has resulted in the bigots feeling validated and emboldened.

Puja