gaza conflict

[paddy no 11]

The whole documentary is worth watching. There's only so much Theroux I can take, and having to see the settlers up close wasn't too attractive a proposition but it's a decent show.

I don't actually understand how Louis Theroux can possibly work. This is both in the sense of him somehow consistently being able to remain stoic and unflapped in the face of some truly evil and deranged people across his documentaries (not only that, but maintain a resting "Uh-huh, I'm listening, go on" face), and also in the sense that I don't know how his subjects haven't cottoned on.

Do they lack google? Are they so cocky that they don't feel the need to even give a cursory bit of research to someone wanting to interview them? Or do they know who he is, but are filled with such a sense of moral rectitude that they are in the right that they can't conceive that they might actually be the bad guys and that, if they just explain their position, they'll be the heroes of the documentary?

No-one seems to get that him letting then proselytise is actually just giving them enough rope to hang themselves with.

Although, having praised his unflappability in the first paragraph, I understand he does lose his calm and call that woman sociopathic towards the end of the documentary, but I don't mind that as remaining completely stoic in the face of such enormity is not a virtue.

Puja

It's the bit in bold

I don't think he loses it with her, he's matter of fact about it

[Which Tyler]

Although, having praised his unflappability in the first paragraph, I understand he does lose his calm and call that woman sociopathic towards the end of the documentary, but I don't mind that as remaining completely stoic in the face of such enormity is not a virtue.

He's always pushed back a little; but usually in a "of course, some people (not me, no, never me) would say that you're a fucking evil clown - there, I've helped you with the awkward bit of the noose-knot; would you care to wear it now?"
Then he may push back a little more in post, talking about being scared that he was busted or in physical danger (thinking especially of the nazis and the scientologists).

[Son of Mathonwy]

The whole documentary is worth watching. There's only so much Theroux I can take, and having to see the settlers up close wasn't too attractive a proposition but it's a decent show.

One little aside, not too far into the documentary we hear a rabbi saying that it's not just the occupied territories that belong to them, so does Lebanon.

Nice to know they'll have another project to move onto when the genocide is complete . . .along with taking increasingly large parts of Syria for 'security'.

Another great moment was when the machine-gun wearing former Texan settler says it's the Arabs who are genocidal. And you can see he believes it too.

[Son of Mathonwy]

This is all so depressing:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... his-strike

Do we really have to be the bad guys? Not in my name FFS.

[paddy no 11]

Richard burgon mp has called for sanctions on Israel......good on you fella. I see he has had a run in with the sun newspaper which also makes me think he's probably a good un

Keir will be along shortly to castrate him

[Danno]

"Saturday 10 May 2025

The now independent MP Richard Burgon stated that Starmer could go fuck himself on this and virtually every other issue he stands for"

[paddy no 11]

"Saturday 10 May 2025

The now independent MP Richard Burgon stated that Starmer could go fuck himself on this and virtually every other issue he stands for"

If I give hammy some money can we get the like function back

[Son of Mathonwy]

Something slightly strange is happening in the media. About a week ago we suddenly had these:

The Independent saying 'End the defending silence on Gaza - it is time to speak up'.
The FT writing of 'The West's shameful silence on Gaza'.
The Times asking 'Why we are closing our eyes to Gaza's horror?'
The Economist: 'The war in Gaza must end'.
And the BBC does seem to be (almost) condemning Israel these days and hinting at the possibility of *genocide* a little more clearly.

What is happening? Has a secret signal gone out? Has the British media discovered a conscience (after 19 months)? Do they now finally see the truth? Are they realizing that the horror of Gaza cannot be hidden and when fully revealed will brand Israel's supporters as supporters of genocide for all time?

It has been said that one day everyone will always have been against it . . . maybe that time is approaching.

It'll be a while before a friend of Israel like Keir Starmer will change course but perhaps at long last there will be a bit more pressure from the media (not all of it obviously, not the Sun or Telegraph).



Related - some analysis of the biases coverage of Gaza in the press:

https://www.newarab.com/analysis/number ... r-coverage
https://novaramedia.com/2024/08/01/we-r ... ered-gaza/

[paddy no 11]

Something slightly strange is happening in the media. About a week ago we suddenly had these:

The Independent saying 'End the defending silence on Gaza - it is time to speak up'.
The FT writing of 'The West's shameful silence on Gaza'.
The Times asking 'Why we are closing our eyes to Gaza's horror?'
The Economist: 'The war in Gaza must end'.
And the BBC does seem to be (almost) condemning Israel these days and hinting at the possibility of *genocide* a little more clearly.

What is happening? Has a secret signal gone out? Has the British media discovered a conscience (after 19 months)? Do they now finally see the truth? Are they realizing that the horror of Gaza cannot be hidden and when fully revealed will brand Israel's supporters as supporters of genocide for all time?

It has been said that one day everyone will always have been against it . . . maybe that time is approaching.

It'll be a while before a friend of Israel like Keir Starmer will change course but perhaps at long last there will be a bit more pressure from the media (not all of it obviously, not the Sun or Telegraph).



Related - some analysis of the biases coverage of Gaza in the press:

https://www.newarab.com/analysis/number ... r-coverage
https://novaramedia.com/2024/08/01/we-r ... ered-gaza/

I think starving kids and bombing hospitals is the line that can't be crossed and maybe a critical mass has been reached?

[paddy no 11]

I see that MP took to the floor in the commons and called it out today, fair play to him

Mike ryan from WHO another one who has been very frank about the situation

The whole Kneecap debacle hasn't harmed either

[paddy no 11]

Oh and killing 15 medics in cold blood, do you really want to be onside with those guys, yes if your a fundamentalist, no for everyone else

[Son of Mathonwy]

Just got back from the London march. Big, big crowd. Most of them there to see Corbyn .

[paddy no 11]

I went to the one in cork today, still between 1-2k for 18 months now

[paddy no 11]

The Israel rigs the eurovision song contest documentary can't be far away now

[Son of Mathonwy]

The Israel rigs the eurovision song contest documentary can't be far away now

The rigging is that they're in the competition at all. And/or there's no Palestinian entry to focus the anti-Israel vote. Admittedly that would make it more of a political vote than a pop vote, but IMO that's the only reason why Israel does well anyway.

If Russia is banned, so should Israel be (especially because it's further from Europe than Lebanon, and Palestine isn't in the competition). But there's no government pressure to ban Israel as there was for official enemy Russia.

As an aside, I don't get Eurovision. Either it's a European competition or it's not. Why is Australia in it? And not pop-crazy Korea? Are they planning to expand it further to other former European colonies in the Americas and Africa? If not, why have any non-European countries at all? Dare I say is there some racist reason why certain non-European countries are included?

[paddy no 11]

Lindley suggesting the don has enough of Netanyahu and that Netanyahu is in a bit of bother

[Son of Mathonwy]

Hilarious 'journalism' from the Independent. Why did Keir Starmer wait so long to take 'action' on Israel?

Yes, we are all wondering this. Why did it take 19 months for the situation to become 'intolerable' for the PM and for the shattering blow of suspending trade talks to be unleashed on an unsuspecting Israel?

A total lack of decency and empathy? A deep seated belief that an Israeli life is worth 50 Palestinian lives? Slavishly following whatever narrative is occupying the print media in the UK? Complete amnesia of his former life as a human rights lawyer? Zero concern for anyone but Keir Starmer?

Nah. Jeremy Corbyn's to blame.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/w ... r-AA1F9jmg

[paddy no 11]

So kneecap or specifically one member have been charged with terrorism.......should be a great trial

Hopefully they bring up stuff like this to show the absolute hypocrisy of the charge

[Which Tyler]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cy9vr10n732t

I hope to the gods that I'm being way too cynical here, but it seems awfully convenient that this has happened a day or two after EU, UK and even the US started to apply some mild pressure on Israel.

[Puja]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cy9vr10n732t

I hope to the gods that I'm being way too cynical here, but it seems awfully convenient that this has happened a day or two after EU, UK and even the US started to apply some mild pressure on Israel.

I had been assuming that it was the Jeremy Corbyn problem - the complete and unquestioning orthoxy of backing Israel in the West has led to the situation that any statement of support or sympathy for Palestine is taken by anti-Semitic nutters as "Finally, someone's on our side!" (probably not helped by the Israeli government/shills loudly and continually reacting to all support for Palestine/any criticism of Israel by conflating it with hatred of Jews). So even mild criticism of an actively ongoing ethnic cleansing has resulted in the bigots feeling validated and emboldened.

Puja

[paddy no 11]

On the above see the quotes from moshe feiglin yesterday, where actually calls for the killing of every child in gaza

[Puja]

On the above see the quotes from moshe feiglin yesterday, where actually calls for the killing of every child in gaza

Meanwhile, on the BBC, let's make sure we get quotes from someone who says ethnic cleansing isn't occurring. For balance.

Puja

[paddy no 11]

On the above see the quotes from moshe feiglin yesterday, where actually calls for the killing of every child in gaza

Meanwhile, on the BBC, let's make sure we get quotes from someone who says ethnic cleansing isn't occurring. For balance.

Puja

The BBC as a news organisation is a non entity since allistair Campbell got greg dyke fired

[Son of Mathonwy]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cy9vr10n732t

I hope to the gods that I'm being way too cynical here, but it seems awfully convenient that this has happened a day or two after EU, UK and even the US started to apply some mild pressure on Israel.

I had been assuming that it was the Jeremy Corbyn problem - the complete and unquestioning orthoxy of backing Israel in the West has led to the situation that any statement of support or sympathy for Palestine is taken by anti-Semitic nutters as "Finally, someone's on our side!" (probably not helped by the Israeli government/shills loudly and continually reacting to all support for Palestine/any criticism of Israel by conflating it with hatred of Jews). So even mild criticism of an actively ongoing ethnic cleansing has resulted in the bigots feeling validated and emboldened.

Puja

This brutal shooting is not dissimilar from the IDF assassinations of nonmilitary Hamas staff, except that the killer didn't blow up a hospital, the targets' children or any bystanders in the process.

Interesting how, despite the killer saying 'free Palestine' and the targets being workers for the Israeli state (rather than random Jewish Americans) everyone is calling this antisemitic, rather than what it obviously was, anti-Israel.

[Which Tyler]

EU outrage grows after Israel fires ‘warning shots’ at diplomatic delegation

#MostMoralArmyInTheWorld