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Digby wrote:

Puja wrote:

Digby wrote:I still can't see a GNU happening, Corbyn's insistence he lead any such effort will undermine it before it starts. Whether Corbyn is intentionally undermining it in the hope he can see Brexit happen and not get blamed for it I don't know, but without him taking a backwards step I don't see where a GNU would get the votes from, one might fall short anyway if enough pro Brexit Labour rebels didn't get behind a non Corbyn option to lead a GNU even if Corbyn did the decent thing and went out back to shoot himself in the head

If it's a choice between that and No Deal, surely there'd be enough willing to hold their noses and do it. Or, if he fails, any other MP could put themselves up as an alternative option and, while they'd fail without Labour support, not supporting a last chance to prevent No Deal would see it publically become Labour's fault and they can't afford that.

I'm slightly worried that we may ask for an extension and get told to get knotted by the EU, especially if one of Boris's close friends on the more authoritarian side of the continent takes umbrage that he's been ousted. In that situation we could end up with a GNU of dubious support panicking about whether to No Deal or pull Article 50 in the last few days.

Puja

I don't know if they would hold their noses when it comes to Corbyn, it's a big ask too when he's going to be seen as an equal danger. I do think the EU will play ball unless someone like Orban sticks in a veto.

That does leave us some chance to revoke A50, but that could get even messier, and we're already into constitutional peril

Digby wrote:Okay, but how many of those who didn't want curry if actually having to go for a curry would want a hot curry even if they'd rather had a steak or pizza?

And further how many want spicy in addition to hot, and I am drawing a distinction between spicy and hot, how many want seafood or vegetarian, how many want pork only to find owing to ownership of who makes most curries pork isn't an option, how many want a wet or dry curry, or want rice, naan or a roti, who wants a curry swimming with ghee and who wants less oily, or those wanting rice who wants plain Vs flavoured, who wants beer, or if wanting beer do you want a curry house that serves its own beer or to find a bring a bottle place...?

And who in the name of all that's holy wants that weird pot of green yoghurt?

Stom wrote:

Digby wrote:

Puja wrote:
If it's a choice between that and No Deal, surely there'd be enough willing to hold their noses and do it. Or, if he fails, any other MP could put themselves up as an alternative option and, while they'd fail without Labour support, not supporting a last chance to prevent No Deal would see it publically become Labour's fault and they can't afford that.

I'm slightly worried that we may ask for an extension and get told to get knotted by the EU, especially if one of Boris's close friends on the more authoritarian side of the continent takes umbrage that he's been ousted. In that situation we could end up with a GNU of dubious support panicking about whether to No Deal or pull Article 50 in the last few days.

Puja

I don't know if they would hold their noses when it comes to Corbyn, it's a big ask too when he's going to be seen as an equal danger. I do think the EU will play ball unless someone like Orban sticks in a veto.

That does leave us some chance to revoke A50, but that could get even messier, and we're already into constitutional peril

Why would the Victator veto? Wouldn't make much political sense for him...

Son of Mathonwy wrote:

Digby wrote:Okay, but how many of those who didn't want curry if actually having to go for a curry would want a hot curry even if they'd rather had a steak or pizza?

And further how many want spicy in addition to hot, and I am drawing a distinction between spicy and hot, how many want seafood or vegetarian, how many want pork only to find owing to ownership of who makes most curries pork isn't an option, how many want a wet or dry curry, or want rice, naan or a roti, who wants a curry swimming with ghee and who wants less oily, or those wanting rice who wants plain Vs flavoured, who wants beer, or if wanting beer do you want a curry house that serves its own beer or to find a bring a bottle place...?

And who in the name of all that's holy wants that weird pot of green yoghurt?

Thanks for bringing your expertise to this debate.

Digby wrote:

Stom wrote:

Digby wrote:
I don't know if they would hold their noses when it comes to Corbyn, it's a big ask too when he's going to be seen as an equal danger. I do think the EU will play ball unless someone like Orban sticks in a veto.

That does leave us some chance to revoke A50, but that could get even messier, and we're already into constitutional peril

Why would the Victator veto? Wouldn't make much political sense for him...

proves he has power, sticks it to the multilateralists, and even who needs logic when you're a nationalistic autocrat anyway

Stom wrote:

Digby wrote:

Stom wrote:
Why would the Victator veto? Wouldn't make much political sense for him...

proves he has power, sticks it to the multilateralists, and even who needs logic when you're a nationalistic autocrat anyway

He uses quite sound logic, generally. And he can't afford a bad situation in the UK considering the number of Hungarians in London.

Plus Fidesz are odds on to suffer big losses in the locals this month.

Digby wrote:

Stom wrote:

Digby wrote:

proves he has power, sticks it to the multilateralists, and even who needs logic when you're a nationalistic autocrat anyway

He uses quite sound logic, generally. And he can't afford a bad situation in the UK considering the number of Hungarians in London.

Plus Fidesz are odds on to suffer big losses in the locals this month.

It does seem a little odd, more than a little odd, that you'd lament the Tories in the UK whilst simultaneously considering Orban uses quite sound logic.

Digby wrote:

Son of Mathonwy wrote:

Digby wrote:Okay, but how many of those who didn't want curry if actually having to go for a curry would want a hot curry even if they'd rather had a steak or pizza?

And further how many want spicy in addition to hot, and I am drawing a distinction between spicy and hot, how many want seafood or vegetarian, how many want pork only to find owing to ownership of who makes most curries pork isn't an option, how many want a wet or dry curry, or want rice, naan or a roti, who wants a curry swimming with ghee and who wants less oily, or those wanting rice who wants plain Vs flavoured, who wants beer, or if wanting beer do you want a curry house that serves its own beer or to find a bring a bottle place...?

And who in the name of all that's holy wants that weird pot of green yoghurt?

Thanks for bringing your expertise to this debate.

The less oily bit is something I've actually found useful over the years. Never occurred to me until when living in London and going out for curries with the contractors over from India who often asked for their curry to be cooked less oily, as they felt the traditional British curry house experience far too rich as standard fare.

Son of Mathonwy wrote:

Digby wrote:

Son of Mathonwy wrote: Thanks for bringing your expertise to this debate.

The less oily bit is something I've actually found useful over the years. Never occurred to me until when living in London and going out for curries with the contractors over from India who often asked for their curry to be cooked less oily, as they felt the traditional British curry house experience far too rich as standard fare.

Don't knock the yoghurt thing, it works for me.

Possibly we could use Brexit as a simplifying analogy for the curry house options.

Digby wrote:That and the DUP aren't as influential with Boris having lost his majority anyway, want to prevent the IRA supporting Corbyn coming in and protect their bribe above and beyond the Barnett formula

Banquo wrote:

Digby wrote:That and the DUP aren't as influential with Boris having lost his majority anyway, want to prevent the IRA supporting Corbyn coming in and protect their bribe above and beyond the Barnett formula

Not sure logic and the DUP exist in the same sentence often.

Digby wrote:

Banquo wrote:

Digby wrote:That and the DUP aren't as influential with Boris having lost his majority anyway, want to prevent the IRA supporting Corbyn coming in and protect their bribe above and beyond the Barnett formula

Not sure logic and the DUP exist in the same sentence often.

Sadly all too true

Banquo wrote:

Digby wrote:

Banquo wrote: Not sure logic and the DUP exist in the same sentence often.

Sadly all too true

emblematic of Brexit, I suppose.

"Whitehall and Buckingham Palace are on red alert after being warned that Boris Johnson could attempt to prorogue Parliament for a second time if he is defeated in the courts or tied down further by MPs over Brexit, The Mail on Sunday has learned.

The 'nuclear option' is understood to have been discussed by the Prime Minister's closest advisers in a move that could see the Government, Parliament and the courts plunged into a legal quagmire just days before Britain's planned exit from the European Union on October 31.

Concerned officials believe nothing is off-limits for Downing Street's current 'chaos strategy' to avoid letting MPs pass fresh legislation halting Britain's exit from the EU, even crippling political institutions to let the UK slip out on No Deal terms."

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Digby wrote:Who in the blazes is briefing on that days before the Supreme Court ruling?

Which Tyler wrote:

Digby wrote:Who in the blazes is briefing on that days before the Supreme Court ruling?

Presumably, someone with supreme arrogance?