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Mellsblue wrote:There is plenty of talk about those who have been booted out but aren’t standing down running on a Independent Conservative ticket at the next GE with the intention of coming back once the Spartans - have I mentioned what a ridiculous name that is - have been ousted. Small whispers of just breaking off completely and forming a Liberal Conservative party. I think the latter is a grassroots ops and the former the preferred plan for the MPs.
I thought standing as "Independent Conservative" is the default position for those not standing down. I hadn't realised that there was actual talk of forming a new liberal conservative party - so far it had all been my speculation and a few others playing "what if".
You'd have to wondering so some like Clarke or Soames would feel reinvigorated by starting a new party, and decide to stand one more time if that was the case (it must be much harder to motivate for an independent run)


As for the names - if you're going to call the people you've kicking out "the Rebel alliance", then you don't get to chose "Spartans" for yourself - you have tomown that you've just named yourselves "the evil empire"
And yes, all such name options are challenging "WhateverGate" for cringe worthiness and should be banned by any swear-filters
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Which Tyler wrote:
Mellsblue wrote:There is plenty of talk about those who have been booted out but aren’t standing down running on a Independent Conservative ticket at the next GE with the intention of coming back once the Spartans - have I mentioned what a ridiculous name that is - have been ousted. Small whispers of just breaking off completely and forming a Liberal Conservative party. I think the latter is a grassroots ops and the former the preferred plan for the MPs.
I thought standing as "Independent Conservative" is the default position for those not standing down. I hadn't realised that there was actual talk of forming a new liberal conservative party - so far it had all been my speculation and a few others playing "what if".
You'd have to wondering so some like Clarke or Soames would feel reinvigorated by starting a new party, and decide to stand one more time if that was the case (it must be much harder to motivate for an independent run)


As for the names - if you're going to call the people you've kicking out "the Rebel alliance", then you don't get to chose "Spartans" for yourself - you have tomown that you've just named yourselves "the evil empire"
And yes, all such name options are challenging "WhateverGate" for cringe worthiness and should be banned by any swear-filters
Plenty aren’t ready to give up and just stand as Independent Conservatives, P Hammond being the most vocal about it.
The Liberal Conservative chat is very much grassroots but, from what I’ve heard there is some minor interest from MPs who are complete f**ked off with the situation and think the right of the party has completely taken over.
I think Clarke and those of a similar age have decided it’s time to hand the torch to the youngsters. I don’t blame them.
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Mellsblue wrote:the Spartans - have I mentioned what a ridiculous name that is
A bunch of tossers with a born-to-rule mentality that worked tirelessly to maintain an order that rigidly enforced a small number of people holding the majority of the wealth at the expense of the masses, who eventually had to compromise their ideals and went, not so much into a decline, but into an outright freefall because of dwindling numbers, worshipped by pathetic shitfucks?

Ridiculous? Maybe. But oddly appropriate.
It was more the fact they chose it as they saw themselves as some sort of warrior grouping when in fact they are fronted by a short fat man and two skinny men with a combined weight of 10 stone.
Shall we get started on what their left wing contemporaries call themselves? They’re all dicks.
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Sandydragon wrote:BBC reporting that Amber Rudd has just resigned from the government citing unfair treatment of rebel Conservative MPs.

I did wonder when she would remember any principles she might once have had.
Quitting the party as well
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49623737

There must be other moderate tories aghast at what's happened to their party. How many will have the courage of their conditions, and how many will keep their head down and support their team?
It was truly weird that she and Hancock had stayed mute, it cannot possibly be something they agree with. I was even a little worried about Amber until now
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Digby wrote:
Which Tyler wrote:
Sandydragon wrote:BBC reporting that Amber Rudd has just resigned from the government citing unfair treatment of rebel Conservative MPs.

I did wonder when she would remember any principles she might once have had.
Quitting the party as well
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49623737

There must be other moderate tories aghast at what's happened to their party. How many will have the courage of their conditions, and how many will keep their head down and support their team?
It was truly weird that she and Hancock had stayed mute, it cannot possibly be something they agree with. I was even a little worried about Amber until now
Rudd hadn’t stayed mute. She was very vocal about it.
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Mellsblue wrote:
Digby wrote:
Which Tyler wrote: Quitting the party as well
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49623737

There must be other moderate tories aghast at what's happened to their party. How many will have the courage of their conditions, and how many will keep their head down and support their team?
It was truly weird that she and Hancock had stayed mute, it cannot possibly be something they agree with. I was even a little worried about Amber until now
Rudd hadn’t stayed mute. She was very vocal about it.
in the last 7 days I heard nothing until today from her. which left she'd gone mad, was hanging around for the worst time to put the knife in, or was going to claim things would be worse if she left

in the event she's just gone, and quite down key in fashion it was too
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Digby wrote:
Mellsblue wrote:
Digby wrote:
It was truly weird that she and Hancock had stayed mute, it cannot possibly be something they agree with. I was even a little worried about Amber until now
Rudd hadn’t stayed mute. She was very vocal about it.
in the last 7 days I heard nothing until today from her. which left she'd gone mad, was hanging around for the worst time to put the knife in, or was going to claim things would be worse if she left

in the event she's just gone, and quite down key in fashion it was too
We’ll, if you hadn’t heard it can’t have happened. Down key fashion..... sounds good given all the hyperbole and grandstanding that’s sadly become the norm.
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Which Tyler wrote:Hopefully, the media having noticed and published (and us spreading) this means that it won't happen; but...

Anyone protesting today - stay safe.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/h ... 95161.html

Brexit: Far-right groups threaten to riot at London protests as Boris Johnson warned over language
‘It’s time to f*** s*** up,’ extremists threaten after parliament moves to block no-deal Brexit
Apparently, if still happen - though I haven't found any media coverage yet, so only have a rather biased Twitter feed's word on it.



Looks pretty low key compared to what that Independent article was suggesting - hopefully due to being busted in the media
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Mellsblue wrote:
Digby wrote:
Mellsblue wrote: Rudd hadn’t stayed mute. She was very vocal about it.
in the last 7 days I heard nothing until today from her. which left she'd gone mad, was hanging around for the worst time to put the knife in, or was going to claim things would be worse if she left

in the event she's just gone, and quite down key in fashion it was too
We’ll, if you hadn’t heard it can’t have happened. Down key fashion..... sounds good given all the hyperbole and grandstanding that’s sadly become the norm.
I don't see any way Amber Rudd was making even minorly significant comments in public and it's not going to get reported on
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If there was an election on the 15th, what’s the verdict? or as more likely post an extension, what then?
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Digby wrote:
Mellsblue wrote:
Digby wrote:
in the last 7 days I heard nothing until today from her. which left she'd gone mad, was hanging around for the worst time to put the knife in, or was going to claim things would be worse if she left

in the event she's just gone, and quite down key in fashion it was too
We’ll, if you hadn’t heard it can’t have happened. Down key fashion..... sounds good given all the hyperbole and grandstanding that’s sadly become the norm.
I don't see any way Amber Rudd was making even minorly significant comments in public and it's not going to get reported on
From what I’ve heard from a close political ally of hers, when Ruth Davidson quit she told cabinet exactly what she thought and has been working to curb ERG excesses since day 1 of the Johnson govt. She’s also tried to concentrate on a very important portfolio and rightly wanted that to not be overshadowed by arguments with the idiots at no10 and the ERG. Imagine wanting to give primacy to the day job rather fixate solely on Brexit.
There are ways of exerting political influence without recourse to the media. Especially when sat around the same (cabinet office) table as those she’d like to influence.
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Mellsblue wrote:
Digby wrote:
Mellsblue wrote: We’ll, if you hadn’t heard it can’t have happened. Down key fashion..... sounds good given all the hyperbole and grandstanding that’s sadly become the norm.
I don't see any way Amber Rudd was making even minorly significant comments in public and it's not going to get reported on
From what I’ve heard from a close political ally of hers, when Ruth Davidson quit she told cabinet exactly what she thought and has been working to curb ERG excesses since day 1 of the Johnson govt. She’s also tried to concentrate on a very important portfolio and rightly wanted that to not be overshadowed by arguments with the idiots at no10 and the ERG. Imagine wanting to give primacy to the day job rather fixate solely on Brexit.
There are ways of exerting political influence without recourse to the media. Especially when sat around the same (cabinet office) table as those she’d like to influence.
I have no problems she wanted to concentrate on an important job, I can understand given her affiliation to the party taking Boris at his word he'd seek a deal. I didn't understand her staying quiet once Boris had decided to close Parliament and then fired 21 colleagues, it simply didn't stack up with anything I'd ever heard from her that that was a situation she could accept, and it turns out she couldn't. Whether she took a few days to consult with friends and/or wanted to let Jo go first I don't know, it was just a bit weird she and Hancock were possibly staying put. Amber has gone now, which just leaves one wondering how the blazes Hancock is rationalising his continuation in cabinet, maybe he has come to Damascus as with Niki Morgan, the rest of the cabinet I either know little to nothing about or consider self serving as with Boris or insane so I doubt anyone else goes, the remainder have well and truly taken the red pill
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Banquo wrote:If there was an election on the 15th, what’s the verdict? or as more likely post an extension, what then?
No idea. Couldn't tell you if we're firing a few dozen members of staff or not, simply not the faintest idea where we stand on being able to continue on any number of contracts, and that situation must replicate in varying ways across so many businesses one almost has to laugh, or cry, though perhaps we're better off leaving the crying once again to Alexander

I assume as regards parliament we will end up with another election, with team Boris and Farage abandoning all talk of the Single Market, the Lib Dems, the SNP going full on 2nd referendum, and Labour coming up with a dreary fudge. All of which probably doesn't change the arithmetic of parliament much. I'm also assuming we get an extension as I can't even see Boris wanting to pull the pin with so much preparation still to do even if he has his heart set on no deal. The EU aren't going to refuse an extension, they will not want to get tagged with the failure to do so, Macron will posture but can't really want to pull the pin himself either.

The wild cards are Orban and Morawiecki
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Digby wrote:
Mellsblue wrote:
Digby wrote:
I don't see any way Amber Rudd was making even minorly significant comments in public and it's not going to get reported on
From what I’ve heard from a close political ally of hers, when Ruth Davidson quit she told cabinet exactly what she thought and has been working to curb ERG excesses since day 1 of the Johnson govt. She’s also tried to concentrate on a very important portfolio and rightly wanted that to not be overshadowed by arguments with the idiots at no10 and the ERG. Imagine wanting to give primacy to the day job rather fixate solely on Brexit.
There are ways of exerting political influence without recourse to the media. Especially when sat around the same (cabinet office) table as those she’d like to influence.
I have no problems she wanted to concentrate on an important job, I can understand given her affiliation to the party taking Boris at his word he'd seek a deal. I didn't understand her staying quiet once Boris had decided to close Parliament and then fired 21 colleagues, it simply didn't stack up with anything I'd ever heard from her that that was a situation she could accept, and it turns out she couldn't. Whether she took a few days to consult with friends and/or wanted to let Jo go first I don't know, it was just a bit weird she and Hancock were possibly staying put. Amber has gone now, which just leaves one wondering how the blazes Hancock is rationalising his continuation in cabinet, maybe he has come to Damascus as with Niki Morgan, the rest of the cabinet I either know little to nothing about or consider self serving as with Boris or insane so I doubt anyone else goes, the remainder have well and truly taken the red pill
She obviously had her reasons for staying quiet in public, getting on with the day job and trying to influence behind the scenes. From what I know of her, this is usually how she operates. I’m surprised Morgan hasn’t piped up more or quit, not so Hancock. He has as much ambition as Johnson. I’m sure Rudd will now say more in public. She’s no longer under cabinet collective responsibility, remember when that used to be a thing, so may feel she can speak freely.
All that said, it’s one less sensible voice at the table. The echo chambers that pervade social media may now be entering no10. Good luck everyone.
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Mellsblue wrote:
Digby wrote:
Mellsblue wrote: From what I’ve heard from a close political ally of hers, when Ruth Davidson quit she told cabinet exactly what she thought and has been working to curb ERG excesses since day 1 of the Johnson govt. She’s also tried to concentrate on a very important portfolio and rightly wanted that to not be overshadowed by arguments with the idiots at no10 and the ERG. Imagine wanting to give primacy to the day job rather fixate solely on Brexit.
There are ways of exerting political influence without recourse to the media. Especially when sat around the same (cabinet office) table as those she’d like to influence.
I have no problems she wanted to concentrate on an important job, I can understand given her affiliation to the party taking Boris at his word he'd seek a deal. I didn't understand her staying quiet once Boris had decided to close Parliament and then fired 21 colleagues, it simply didn't stack up with anything I'd ever heard from her that that was a situation she could accept, and it turns out she couldn't. Whether she took a few days to consult with friends and/or wanted to let Jo go first I don't know, it was just a bit weird she and Hancock were possibly staying put. Amber has gone now, which just leaves one wondering how the blazes Hancock is rationalising his continuation in cabinet, maybe he has come to Damascus as with Niki Morgan, the rest of the cabinet I either know little to nothing about or consider self serving as with Boris or insane so I doubt anyone else goes, the remainder have well and truly taken the red pill
She obviously had her reasons for staying quiet in public, getting on with the day job and trying to influence behind the scenes. From what I know of her, this is usually how she operates. I’m surprised Morgan hasn’t piped up more or quit, not so Hancock. He has as much ambition as Johnson. I’m sure Rudd will now say more in public. She’s no longer under cabinet collective responsibility, remember when that used to be a thing, so may feel she can speak freely.
All that said, it’s one less sensible voice at the table. The echo chambers that pervade social media may now be entering no10. Good luck everyone.
The reasons can't have been getting on with the day job really, 3-4 days more isn't going to do much. And Hancock can have as much ambition as he wants, he's going to need a lot of patience and maybe 2-3 general election losses before they wouldn't consider him too wet as a leader, and by then someone with charisma might have emerged
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Banquo wrote:If there was an election on the 15th, what’s the verdict? or as more likely post an extension, what then?
No idea. Couldn't tell you if we're firing a few dozen members of staff or not, simply not the faintest idea where we stand on being able to continue on any number of contracts, and that situation must replicate in varying ways across so many businesses one almost has to laugh, or cry, though perhaps we're better off leaving the crying once again to Alexander

I assume as regards parliament we will end up with another election, with team Boris and Farage abandoning all talk of the Single Market, the Lib Dems, the SNP going full on 2nd referendum, and Labour coming up with a dreary fudge. All of which probably doesn't change the arithmetic of parliament much. I'm also assuming we get an extension as I can't even see Boris wanting to pull the pin with so much preparation still to do even if he has his heart set on no deal. The EU aren't going to refuse an extension, they will not want to get tagged with the failure to do so, Macron will posture but can't really want to pull the pin himself either.

The wild cards are Orban and Morawiecki
In the same boat business wise as it happens.
I was hoping someone might have some insight or guesswork on likely political outcomes in two election scenarios, but thanks for the...um...insight :lol:
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The Tory independents ought to join the lib Dems - Clarke's been more aligned with their policies than his (former) party's for years. But tribal loyalty (and hatred, no doubt) stops them. Maybe they will in time, as with the ChUKers, if they still have political ambitions.

The real shame would be if they give up on politics. Which is no doubt what BJ and Farage would prefer.
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Banquo wrote:
Digby wrote:
Banquo wrote:If there was an election on the 15th, what’s the verdict? or as more likely post an extension, what then?
No idea. Couldn't tell you if we're firing a few dozen members of staff or not, simply not the faintest idea where we stand on being able to continue on any number of contracts, and that situation must replicate in varying ways across so many businesses one almost has to laugh, or cry, though perhaps we're better off leaving the crying once again to Alexander

I assume as regards parliament we will end up with another election, with team Boris and Farage abandoning all talk of the Single Market, the Lib Dems, the SNP going full on 2nd referendum, and Labour coming up with a dreary fudge. All of which probably doesn't change the arithmetic of parliament much. I'm also assuming we get an extension as I can't even see Boris wanting to pull the pin with so much preparation still to do even if he has his heart set on no deal. The EU aren't going to refuse an extension, they will not want to get tagged with the failure to do so, Macron will posture but can't really want to pull the pin himself either.

The wild cards are Orban and Morawiecki
In the same boat business wise as it happens.
I was hoping someone might have some insight or guesswork on likely political outcomes in two election scenarios, but thanks for the...um...insight :lol:

I'll be sat down with the lawyers again this coming week, but I can't imagine they're going to present any certainty, beyond they'll want paying (and understandably so)
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Son of Mathonwy wrote:The Tory independents ought to join the lib Dems - Clarke's been more aligned with their policies than his (former) party's for years. But tribal loyalty (and hatred, no doubt) stops them. Maybe they will in time, as with the ChUKers, if they still have political ambitions.

The real shame would be if they give up on politics. Which is no doubt what BJ and Farage would prefer.
The lefty part of the Lib Dems is way off kilter for someone like Clarke, it's not an easy fit beyond the single issue. Bell joining the Lib Dems I cannot see lasting. Though myself I'll not worry if the Lib Dems get dragged a little to the right
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Digby wrote:
Son of Mathonwy wrote:The Tory independents ought to join the lib Dems - Clarke's been more aligned with their policies than his (former) party's for years. But tribal loyalty (and hatred, no doubt) stops them. Maybe they will in time, as with the ChUKers, if they still have political ambitions.

The real shame would be if they give up on politics. Which is no doubt what BJ and Farage would prefer.
The lefty part of the Lib Dems is way off kilter for someone like Clarke, it's not an easy fit beyond the single issue. Bell joining the Lib Dems I cannot see lasting. Though myself I'll not worry if the Lib Dems get dragged a little to the right
Bell?
Lot of Labour MPs quietly quitting or switching, no doubt because they are about to be Momentum'd.
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Banquo wrote:
Digby wrote:
Son of Mathonwy wrote:The Tory independents ought to join the lib Dems - Clarke's been more aligned with their policies than his (former) party's for years. But tribal loyalty (and hatred, no doubt) stops them. Maybe they will in time, as with the ChUKers, if they still have political ambitions.

The real shame would be if they give up on politics. Which is no doubt what BJ and Farage would prefer.
The lefty part of the Lib Dems is way off kilter for someone like Clarke, it's not an easy fit beyond the single issue. Bell joining the Lib Dems I cannot see lasting. Though myself I'll not worry if the Lib Dems get dragged a little to the right
Bell?
Lot of Labour MPs quietly quitting or switching, no doubt because they are about to be Momentum'd.
Bell is a bit weird when I meant Lee (the chap who walked across the Commons to sit down next to Jo Swinson)

And yep, Labour as with the Tories are going for a purge, this wouldn't be such a mess if Labour were a viable option to vote for
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Digby wrote:
Banquo wrote:
Digby wrote:
The lefty part of the Lib Dems is way off kilter for someone like Clarke, it's not an easy fit beyond the single issue. Bell joining the Lib Dems I cannot see lasting. Though myself I'll not worry if the Lib Dems get dragged a little to the right
Bell?
Lot of Labour MPs quietly quitting or switching, no doubt because they are about to be Momentum'd.
Bell is a bit weird when I meant Lee (the chap who walked across the Commons to sit down next to Jo Swinson)

And yep, Labour as with the Tories are going for a purge, this wouldn't be such a mess if Labour were a viable option to vote for
quite. Centre ground needs something credible to emerge.

Angela Smith has gone to the LDs.
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Banquo wrote:
Digby wrote:
Banquo wrote: Bell?
Lot of Labour MPs quietly quitting or switching, no doubt because they are about to be Momentum'd.
Bell is a bit weird when I meant Lee (the chap who walked across the Commons to sit down next to Jo Swinson)

And yep, Labour as with the Tories are going for a purge, this wouldn't be such a mess if Labour were a viable option to vote for
quite. Centre ground needs something credible to emerge.

Angela Smith has gone to the LDs.
The Lib Dem’s wasted so many years under Cable who was Mr Anonymous.
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Sandydragon wrote:
Banquo wrote:
Digby wrote:
Bell is a bit weird when I meant Lee (the chap who walked across the Commons to sit down next to Jo Swinson)

And yep, Labour as with the Tories are going for a purge, this wouldn't be such a mess if Labour were a viable option to vote for
quite. Centre ground needs something credible to emerge.

Angela Smith has gone to the LDs.
The Lib Dem’s wasted so many years under Cable who was Mr Anonymous.
In fairness they were bu55ered for many of those years by being 'tainted' from Govt with the Tories, and really wasn't it Farron i/c for a lot of their rehab time, Cable wasn't even an MP from 15-17 and not leader til after the 17 election.....and under him they have actually done well in local elections etc; their role in reining in austerity overdrive and other stuff was overlooked in tuition fee-gate. Unfortunately Swinson is marmite.
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Mellsblue wrote:
Son of Mathonwy wrote:
Mellsblue wrote:I know this is Rugby Rebels but I’m not getting into an argument over the meaning of plenty ;)
I don’t think the softest of soft Brexits would satisfy Leavers, you do. Unless one of US decides to study for a doctorate on the subject I doubt we’ll find out the truth!
Damn, I thought we could have got at least a couple more pages out of that. ;)

A soft Brexit won't satisfy all leavers but it might well satisfy enough of them.
I’m up for giving it a go!!

I’m sure it will. I think something along the lines of Common Market 2.0 would be acceptable. It is pretty much what the official Leave campaign stood on and gets you out of most of the mechanisms and institutions that piss people off, ie the ones I listed when showing WT I didn’t think Norway = brino. My disagreement with you was that you couldn’t leave the EU but stay in the CU, SM, CAP, CFP etc etc and please most/enough/plenty Leavers. Another good thing about Common Market 2.0 is that it keeps freedom of movement which is the thing that seems to have emotionally affected people the most. Stom is rightly worried about it and it’s causing my mother in law (and therefore my wife and therefore me), and all the other expats she knows in France, a lot of stress.

Before anyone picks me up on the fact that I’ve argued there should be no need for compromise. I still believe that if you lose a vote (which I did) then you lose, and I still believe that Canada++ would be closest to what Leave campaigned on. Admittedly, there is ambiguity on whether that included staying in the SM depending on who you listened to!! However, if Canada++ isn’t acceptable, and it may have now been ruled out unilaterally and seemingly out of nowhere by Macron, and freedom of movement is, rightly, such a big concern then I think Common Market 2.0 should tick enough of the boxes for Leavers. Plus, as mentioned above, there were those such as Hannan who said that Brexit didn’t mean leaving the SM. Though, a lot of Leavers think he’s an idiot and thoroughly wrong on every other point he makes!

Al that must gives us at least enough for another page ;)
To be honest, although my preferred soft Brexit would be what you call Brino, I guess joining EFTA would be fairly acceptable... other than the Northern Ireland issue - I don't know enough about the issue to know if anything other than the CU and hence open border would keep the Good Friday Agreement functioning (clearly May was unable to find such a solution).

On the matter of compromise, consider this, the curry house analogy:

29 people are planning to go out for an office celebration. They take a vote on whether or not to go to the local Indian restaurant. The result is 15 for and 14 against (that's 52:48 ;)). So Indian it is.

On approaching the restaurant, the holder of the social fund announces that, as money is tight everyone will have to have the same meal. So the question is, what should the meal be?

In particular, would it be reasonable to order 29 servings of extra strength vindaloo?
The 14 who were against curry would almost certainly not like this but indeed how many of the 15 would in all honesty prefer a mild dish? Indeed who knows how many, if any, of the group would actually like the strongest possible curry, since no one was ever asked this?

Surely, I would argue, it is more likely to be acceptable to the majority if a mild curry is chosen.

(To take the analogy further, onto other issues:
After they are told they must all have the same dish, someone says, "Hold on. Do we really want to have a curry after all (now that we appreciate the details of the idea)? Would anyone fancy a pizza instead, next door? Can we have another show of hands, just to make sure what we really want before it's too late?")
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