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Zhivago wrote:

Stom wrote:

Zhivago wrote:Can someone explain to me how Labour aren't ahead in the polls. How the f... can people still be supporting this Tory government??

Wait for the shortages...they're coming.

And when that happens, there's nothing BJ can do to save the sinking ship.

I feel sorry for all you guys. January is going to be one motherfucker of a month for you guys.

I know they are. I went to the British shop here in Amsterdam on the weekend, and all the shelves were empty. This is what the shops will look like soon in the UK, I reckon, once no deal hits.

No mince pies here, no port...

Stom wrote:

Zhivago wrote:

Stom wrote:
Wait for the shortages...they're coming.

And when that happens, there's nothing BJ can do to save the sinking ship.

I feel sorry for all you guys. January is going to be one motherfucker of a month for you guys.

I know they are. I went to the British shop here in Amsterdam on the weekend, and all the shelves were empty. This is what the shops will look like soon in the UK, I reckon, once no deal hits.

No mince pies here, no port...

Yeah that's what we were looking for too. We'll have to make our own this year.

Let me know when you start eating the recently deceased.

Stom wrote:

Zhivago wrote:Can someone explain to me how Labour aren't ahead in the polls. How the f... can people still be supporting this Tory government??

Wait for the shortages...they're coming.

And when that happens, there's nothing BJ can do to save the sinking ship.

I feel sorry for all you guys. January is going to be one motherfucker of a month for you guys.

Shortages, if they occur, will be blamed squarely on the evil EU. As propaganda goes, that's piss easy basics.

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morepork wrote:Let me know when you start eating the recently deceased.

Nothing to worry about there, a fantastic supply of suet which is very useful with the amount of mincemeat being made up

Zhivago wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:

Zhivago wrote:Can someone explain to me how Labour aren't ahead in the polls. How the f... can people still be supporting this Tory government??

Corbyn.

Corbyn was extremely toxic and his leadership needs a full exorcism.

Then Starmer needs to display some of his own policies so votes know what he stands for. At the moment he is seen as more competent than Corbyn and Johnson, but his policy isn't understood.

Labour has been doing pathetically ever since 2010. Blaming Corbyn is a very weak response. During Corbyn's time the centrists would castigate Corbyn because he wasn't further ahead. Yet Starmer can barely keep it at a tie... meanwhile the level of breathtakingly brazen cronyism and sheer incompetence of the Johnson's government exceeds all known bounds unabated.

There must be some psychological explanation why so many English people choose this bunch over the others. I guess the propaganda is just too strong.

Before Corbyn was Milliband, who was equally pathetic. You also had 13 years of Labour in government which is why they were beaten in 2010 and the poor performance of Milliband, plus the spectre of a Labour government being propped up by the SNP, was enough to tilt the 2015 election towards the Conservatives.

Blame propaganda all you want, but the Labour leadership has been uninspiring, if not downright incompetent. Even at his peak, Corbyn could not convince enough people that they would want him over Theresa May. The Labour Party should stop blaming others for its debates at look at itself.

Zhivago wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:

fivepointer wrote:Corbyn is still a factor. Starmer has closed the gap but there's work to do for Labour to present itself as an effective Govt in waiting.
The Tories still have a pretty strong core support. Many will think they have been presented with a once in a lifetime challenge with Covid and did the best they could. Many will also be seeing what happens with Brexit.
On any objective analysis this Govt are plainly hopeless, led by someone wholly unfit to hold office. Yet Johnson isnt a complete liability - yet - and the Tory brand hasnt been as badly hit as it might be.
The public will likely view things differently once the economics turn against the Govt, as they are bound to do next year.

And Starmer had/has a huge mountain to climb. His real concern is that Boris is knifed by his own party and someone more competent replaces him.

They'd probably just go and pick JRM though...

I expect him to be a candidate. I suspect Sunak is the favourite. Gove will be in there too, and it wouldn't surprise me if a few of the other nearly rans of recent years popped back up again, like Leadsom.

If the Tories pick JRM they are totally fucked. If Starmer cant beat him then its time to give up.

morepork wrote:Let me know when you start eating the recently deceased.

Define recent. Is it acceptable from an culinary perspective to dig them up? Just asking for a friend....

Before Digby has defiled it.

Sandydragon wrote:

Zhivago wrote:

Sandydragon wrote: Corbyn.

Corbyn was extremely toxic and his leadership needs a full exorcism.

Then Starmer needs to display some of his own policies so votes know what he stands for. At the moment he is seen as more competent than Corbyn and Johnson, but his policy isn't understood.

Labour has been doing pathetically ever since 2010. Blaming Corbyn is a very weak response. During Corbyn's time the centrists would castigate Corbyn because he wasn't further ahead. Yet Starmer can barely keep it at a tie... meanwhile the level of breathtakingly brazen cronyism and sheer incompetence of the Johnson's government exceeds all known bounds unabated.

There must be some psychological explanation why so many English people choose this bunch over the others. I guess the propaganda is just too strong.

Before Corbyn was Milliband, who was equally pathetic. You also had 13 years of Labour in government which is why they were beaten in 2010 and the poor performance of Milliband, plus the spectre of a Labour government being propped up by the SNP, was enough to tilt the 2015 election towards the Conservatives.

Blame propaganda all you want, but the Labour leadership has been uninspiring, if not downright incompetent. Even at his peak, Corbyn could not convince enough people that they would want him over Theresa May. The Labour Party should stop blaming others for its debates at look at itself.

I’m going to have to disagree with that. Recent Labour leaders have been no more uninspiring nor incompetent than recent Tory leaders. The difference is those Tory leaders have the media behind them while Labour do not. Labour are not popular with billionaires and media owners.

Boris takes the cake and special olympics gold star for incompetent leader now, surely? A random number generator would be a better option at this point.

morepork wrote:Boris takes the cake and special olympics gold star for incompetent leader now, surely? A random number generator would be a better option at this point.

No, Corbyn would have been tote worse, like. I mean, he REALLY hates the jews and wants to take away our homes and cars and give them to illegal immigrants. And he hates Britain. Just look at him, he looks like a man of principle, pah.

The random number generator would be far less likely to reward corruption with a peerage

We are however fast closing on 5000 lorries having lost access to the continent, over 3000 lorries already stuck in Kent, and many more not having set off or soon to join the queue. Those lorries will be provided with a portaloo and a cereal bar in the run up to Christmas, and only because it is Christmas. That's not each, that's one for the lot and the strongest will win out

Digby wrote:We are however fast closing on 5000 lorries having lost access to the continent, over 3000 lorries already stuck in Kent, and many more not having set off or soon to join the queue. Those lorries will be provided with a portaloo and a cereal bar in the run up to Christmas, and only because it is Christmas. That's not each, that's one for the lot and the strongest will win out

That’s why my trucker friend got the f out of Gotham and is currently sunning it up in the Maldives.

Digby wrote:We are however fast closing on 5000 lorries having lost access to the continent, over 3000 lorries already stuck in Kent, and many more not having set off or soon to join the queue. Those lorries will be provided with a portaloo and a cereal bar in the run up to Christmas, and only because it is Christmas. That's not each, that's one for the lot and the strongest will win out

Yes, but the billionaire press will blame the EU for this first.

At most , eventually, they might blame Boris, if they completely give up on him.

But they'll never blame the Tories for it, they'll just demand a new Tory leader.

That arsehole Blair got Murdoch's support because he was able to match the Conservatives policy for policy, but that was 90s Tory, quite a different vintage. No Labour leader could do that now (wherever on the left Starmer reveals himself to be).

I'd have taken a plan for giving the truckers some food and a place to wash and shit. Having grand plans for covering great distances seems pointless when you can't even tie your shoelaces never mind heading off to walk 500 miles and then 500 more.

Edit. - And I quite liked Blair, it was just all his actual policies which seemed a little odd to me

Stom wrote:

Digby wrote:We are however fast closing on 5000 lorries having lost access to the continent, over 3000 lorries already stuck in Kent, and many more not having set off or soon to join the queue. Those lorries will be provided with a portaloo and a cereal bar in the run up to Christmas, and only because it is Christmas. That's not each, that's one for the lot and the strongest will win out

That’s why my trucker friend got the f out of Gotham and is currently sunning it up in the Maldives.

What would make that legendary is if his family is waiting for him in Poland and he's told them he's stuck in Kent

Sturgeon in with her own Agent Cummings moment in the lead up to Christmas, given it's not as bad and she hasn't daftly tried to defend it she's likely to get away with it (as oddly did Dom). But it does speak to why it's so hard to stop the spread of a pandemic

Digby wrote:

Stom wrote:

Digby wrote:We are however fast closing on 5000 lorries having lost access to the continent, over 3000 lorries already stuck in Kent, and many more not having set off or soon to join the queue. Those lorries will be provided with a portaloo and a cereal bar in the run up to Christmas, and only because it is Christmas. That's not each, that's one for the lot and the strongest will win out

That’s why my trucker friend got the f out of Gotham and is currently sunning it up in the Maldives.

What would make that legendary is if his family is waiting for him in Poland and he's told them he's stuck in Kent

lol.

He's there with them and is from Romania, not Poland

Stom wrote:

Digby wrote:

Stom wrote:
That’s why my trucker friend got the f out of Gotham and is currently sunning it up in the Maldives.

What would make that legendary is if his family is waiting for him in Poland and he's told them he's stuck in Kent

lol.

He's there with them and is from Romania, not Poland

bloody Romanians, and on the off chance you ever speak to any please do convey my dismissiveness

“But Sunak is instead pursuing the path of his predecessor George Osborne. As the Resolution Foundation has charted, the Chancellor’s plan to cut Universal Credit payments (which were increased early in the crisis) would cost six million households £1,040 a year, with the bottom fifth losing seven per cent of their disposable incomes. Unemployment support would fall to its lowest real-terms level since 1990-91, and its lowest ever relative to average earnings.”

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/e ... ld-now-end

I realise that’s from ages ago now, but I hadn’t seen it.

Mikey Brown wrote:“But Sunak is instead pursuing the path of his predecessor George Osborne. As the Resolution Foundation has charted, the Chancellor’s plan to cut Universal Credit payments (which were increased early in the crisis) would cost six million households £1,040 a year, with the bottom fifth losing seven per cent of their disposable incomes. Unemployment support would fall to its lowest real-terms level since 1990-91, and its lowest ever relative to average earnings.”

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/e ... ld-now-end

Sounds like it's all going to plan.

I genuinely don't know what to say about Robert Jenrick's statement to the House today on our (lack of) response to the Grenfell Tower disaster. Maybe this statement is why Shapps said something unnecessary and for many people daft about holidays today, holidays being much more likely to draw public attention than government regulations, and wider dealings between public officials the building industry and insurance firms, 'cause what Jenrick had to say is late, inadequate, fails to take responsibility on any number of levels, lacks common sense.... I don't want to describe it as evil, that would be too far, but pathetic doesn't go far enough in condemning this farce of an update to the House.

How are they getting it this wrong? Are they just waiting for Marcus Rashford to force them to do the right thing? I cannot think right now of a cabinet minster who's risen to the level of acceptable failure