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Stop pretending to be insane, Stones. Anyone can see that Britain is America's evil little sidekick as it goes around the world invading and slaughtering. So why not just apply for statehood?

I read that as him being too busy to enter you.

rowan wrote:Stop pretending to be insane, Stones. Anyone can see that Britain is America's evil little sidekick as it goes around the world invading and slaughtering. So why not just apply for statehood?

Is this you engaging in useful discussion as opposed to trying to win an argument?

Donny osmond wrote:

rowan wrote:Stop pretending to be insane, Stones. Anyone can see that Britain is America's evil little sidekick as it goes around the world invading and slaughtering. So why not just apply for statehood?

Is this you engaging in useful discussion as opposed to trying to win an argument?

No, it was me making a tongue-and-cheek comment that Stones got all angrified and hostile over, so I treated him with the contempt he deserved.

& how about yourself, Donny? Looks like you're being super constructive here, right?

Want constructive? The expression is tongue-in-cheek.

And pointing out the hypocrisy of sanctimonious keyboard warriors is always constructive.

Donny osmond wrote:Want constructive? The expression is tongue-in-cheek.

And pointing out the hypocrisy of sanctimonious keyboard warriors is always constructive.

You're funny!

Ireland wants a special provision in any Brexit deal agreed between the UK and EU to allow Northern Ireland to rejoin the EU should the province be reunited with the Republic.

At a press conference in Brussels, the taoiseach, Enda Kenny, said he wanted the deal should include language that would allow the north to easily return to the union.

He said the provisions that allowed East Germany to join the EU upon the fall of the Berlin wall offered precedent for such a clause.


Kenny said it was important that the terms of the Good Friday agreement, including what might happen if the island of Ireland was united, was part of any deal.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... are_btn_fb

rowan wrote:

Donny osmond wrote:

rowan wrote:Stop pretending to be insane, Stones. Anyone can see that Britain is America's evil little sidekick as it goes around the world invading and slaughtering. So why not just apply for statehood?

Is this you engaging in useful discussion as opposed to trying to win an argument?

No, it was me making a tongue-and-cheek comment that Stones got all angrified and hostile over, so I treated him with the contempt he deserved.

& how about yourself, Donny? Looks like you're being super constructive here, right?

I'm only really angry and hostile with people who think they're intellectually superior to everyone else, while consistently demonstrating the opposite.



Er, is that enough emoticons?

rowan wrote:Ireland wants a special provision in any Brexit deal agreed between the UK and EU to allow Northern Ireland to rejoin the EU should the province be reunited with the Republic.

At a press conference in Brussels, the taoiseach, Enda Kenny, said he wanted the deal should include language that would allow the north to easily return to the union.

He said the provisions that allowed East Germany to join the EU upon the fall of the Berlin wall offered precedent for such a clause.


Kenny said it was important that the terms of the Good Friday agreement, including what might happen if the island of Ireland was united, was part of any deal.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... are_btn_fb

Might help their 2023 World Cup bid . . .

Nicola Sturgeon calls for second Scottish independence referendum - Politics live

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/bl ... itics-live

Not a surprise. A bit academic in a way as I can't see any referendum taking place until after brexit occurs.

Sandydragon wrote:Not a surprise. A bit academic in a way as I can't see any referendum taking place until after brexit occurs.

I wasn't expecting it today but she probably wants to show she is on top of things.

Whether it happens before remains to be seen. Promising EU membership with the Brexit referendum coming u was an issue during the previous ref. The "No camp" will try to deny/minimise this guarantee now.

UK government better soon come up with a plan that suits every Nation in the UK on the short and long term. Labour (and Lib dems) disappearance is certainly not doing the union any good.

its a smart move, throughout the Brexit process she has shown herself to be shrewd and statesman like

Unfortunately, its all a bit of a waste as to actually go independent would be a disaster for Scotland, they aren't nearly ready enough to support it with their civil service

BBD wrote:its a smart move, throughout the Brexit process she has shown herself to be shrewd and statesman like

Unfortunately, its all a bit of a waste as to actually go independent would be a disaster for Scotland, they aren't nearly ready enough to support it with their civil service

Wouldn't really expect change in that direction when remaining in the Union. As with Brexit there will also be a period of negotiation between the referendum and Independence (if it were to be chosen).

of course, fair point, but there is a lot of ground to make up and there would need to be a much harsher approach (very unpopular) with the way they deal with benefits for example.

BBD wrote:of course, fair point, but there is a lot of ground to make up and there would need to be a much harsher approach (very unpopular) with the way they deal with benefits for example.

Changing the whole way the country is run from a slightly independent Region to a fully independent Nation is not going to be easy indeed.

Adder wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:Not a surprise. A bit academic in a way as I can't see any referendum taking place until after brexit occurs.

I wasn't expecting it today but she probably wants to show she is on top of things.

Whether it happens before remains to be seen. Promising EU membership with the Brexit referendum coming u was an issue during the previous ref. The "No camp" will try to deny/minimise this guarantee now.

UK government better soon come up with a plan that suits every Nation in the UK on the short and long term. Labour (and Lib dems) disappearance is certainly not doing the union any good.

I suspect the UK government will point to the need to get Brexit right for everyone and not be distracted by another Scottish independence referendum. Its also a bot difficult for Sturgeon as how can she use the Brexit outcome as a means to demand independence until she knows what that will look like - the final outcome could be quite acceptable to many Scots and she has then shot her bolt.

Sandydragon wrote:

Adder wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:Not a surprise. A bit academic in a way as I can't see any referendum taking place until after brexit occurs.

I wasn't expecting it today but she probably wants to show she is on top of things.

Whether it happens before remains to be seen. Promising EU membership with the Brexit referendum coming u was an issue during the previous ref. The "No camp" will try to deny/minimise this guarantee now.

UK government better soon come up with a plan that suits every Nation in the UK on the short and long term. Labour (and Lib dems) disappearance is certainly not doing the union any good.

I suspect the UK government will point to the need to get Brexit right for everyone and not be distracted by another Scottish independence referendum. Its also a bot difficult for Sturgeon as how can she use the Brexit outcome as a means to demand independence until she knows what that will look like - the final outcome could be quite acceptable to many Scots and she has then shot her bolt.

Add to that storm, the question of How Scotland "gets back into"/ "remains in" the EU...

Adder wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:

Adder wrote: I wasn't expecting it today but she probably wants to show she is on top of things.

Whether it happens before remains to be seen. Promising EU membership with the Brexit referendum coming u was an issue during the previous ref. The "No camp" will try to deny/minimise this guarantee now.

UK government better soon come up with a plan that suits every Nation in the UK on the short and long term. Labour (and Lib dems) disappearance is certainly not doing the union any good.

I suspect the UK government will point to the need to get Brexit right for everyone and not be distracted by another Scottish independence referendum. Its also a bot difficult for Sturgeon as how can she use the Brexit outcome as a means to demand independence until she knows what that will look like - the final outcome could be quite acceptable to many Scots and she has then shot her bolt.

Add to that storm, the question of How Scotland "gets back into"/ "remains in" the EU...

Indeed. Sturgeon should perhaps be careful for what she wishes, if the UK parliament gives its go ahead for a second referendum, independence might not look that appealing to the electorate at the moment. Getting fewer votes than last time would be a disaster.

Is everyone assuming even the SNP think they mayn't win any referendum right now and as such as seeking Westminster denying them the chance to hold a vote?

Digby wrote:Is everyone assuming even the SNP think they mayn't win any referendum right now and as such as seeking Westminster denying them the chance to hold a vote?

I actually don't think the SNP + other (green+ independent) need Mays denial. The Tories have done a mess of the aftermath of initial Scottish referendum.

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According to Theresa May..

The SNP was "playing politics with the future of our country", said Mrs May.

Well I guess the tories would know.

I wondered when I heard her day that who there is in politics who isn't playing politics, it seems rather the point does it not?

The quantity and quality of hypocrisy that will​ be on display over the next 18 months will be impressive, albeit not in a good way.

Digby wrote:Is everyone assuming even the SNP think they mayn't win any referendum right now and as such as seeking Westminster denying them the chance to hold a vote?

In my opinion, Sturgeon would fall off her chair if May agreed to hold a referendum.