Which Tyler wrote:Amongst all the talk of who should lead any potential GNU, I hear Tom Wood has said that he would reluctantly accept the responsibility of Prime Ministership if offered.
I keeping thinking they must have some idea what they're doing and/or wanting to do. Best I figure at the moment though is they hope Preeti Patel can bring back the death penalty and en masse arm the police in the detritus Brexit leaves behind, and thus they're accepting of no small amount of chaos.Which Tyler wrote:I see Boris is using the traditional British negotiating tactic of repeating himself slowly and loudly until those bloody foreigners understand him.
It doesn't seem to be working though, maybe he needs some lessons from Melchett Rees Mogg on the intricacies of swagger stick usage.
A] They've already started on - 20,000 essentially untrained officers (well, trained in public pacification and curfew enforcement) + however many ICE border force officers... all armed with tasers...Digby wrote:I keeping thinking they must have some idea what they're doing and/or wanting to do. Best I figure at the moment though is they hope Preeti Patel can bring back the death penalty and en masse arm the police in the detritus Brexit leaves behind, and thus they're accepting of no small amount of chaos.Which Tyler wrote:I see Boris is using the traditional British negotiating tactic of repeating himself slowly and loudly until those bloody foreigners understand him.
It doesn't seem to be working though, maybe he needs some lessons from Melchett Rees Mogg on the intricacies of swagger stick usage.
If however they're not planning for chaos they're making a right old hash of this, and what's possessed them to get stuck back into EU migrant rights before even tabling an actual immigration bill I simply don't know
He has been ever since the cockwomble sacked him. He's made it his mission to co-ordinate and advise Europe's far right parties in order to destabilise the EU and promote right-wing ideology.morepork wrote:Please tell me that cunt Bannon is not sticking his oar in over there...
Been advising Marine Le Pen in France and our glorious Viktator over here.Which Tyler wrote:He has been ever since the cockwomble sacked him. He's made it his mission to co-ordinate and advise Europe's far right parties in order to destabilise the EU and promote right-wing ideology.morepork wrote:Please tell me that cunt Bannon is not sticking his oar in over there...
We do know - as of Saturday - Freedom of movement stops on October 31stStom wrote:Meanwhile, I plan a trip to the UK on December 2nd. I emailed the consulate because my wife and kids do not currently have passports (we are yet to travel outside the EU since they've been born, so why would we) to ask whether we'd be able to travel on ID cards or if we needed passports, and if so, how long would it take for the kids to get their British passports.
Their reply...
We sympathise with your situation...
blah blah blah.
Basically, they have as much clue as the rest of us. Omnishambles.
Free movement for EU citizens will end on day one of a no-deal Brexit, under new Home Office plans – despite warnings of chaos and of people trapped in legal limbo.
Priti Patel, the new hardline home secretary, is pressing for border restrictions to be imposed immediately on 31 October, even though no replacement system is ready, The Independent has been told.
Previously, ministers had intended to delay scrapping free movement until new rules are in place, with a bill stuck in the Commons and fierce rows over what those rules should be.
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But that's the thing: we don't know that! As the govt. have denied it already.Which Tyler wrote:We do know - as of Saturday - Freedom of movement stops on October 31stStom wrote:Meanwhile, I plan a trip to the UK on December 2nd. I emailed the consulate because my wife and kids do not currently have passports (we are yet to travel outside the EU since they've been born, so why would we) to ask whether we'd be able to travel on ID cards or if we needed passports, and if so, how long would it take for the kids to get their British passports.
Their reply...
We sympathise with your situation...
blah blah blah.
Basically, they have as much clue as the rest of us. Omnishambles.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... e-a9064376Free movement for EU citizens will end on day one of a no-deal Brexit, under new Home Office plans – despite warnings of chaos and of people trapped in legal limbo.
Priti Patel, the new hardline home secretary, is pressing for border restrictions to be imposed immediately on 31 October, even though no replacement system is ready, The Independent has been told.
Previously, ministers had intended to delay scrapping free movement until new rules are in place, with a bill stuck in the Commons and fierce rows over what those rules should be.
...
This was the full text of the email I got:Stom wrote:But that's the thing: we don't know that! As the govt. have denied it already.Which Tyler wrote:We do know - as of Saturday - Freedom of movement stops on October 31stStom wrote:Meanwhile, I plan a trip to the UK on December 2nd. I emailed the consulate because my wife and kids do not currently have passports (we are yet to travel outside the EU since they've been born, so why would we) to ask whether we'd be able to travel on ID cards or if we needed passports, and if so, how long would it take for the kids to get their British passports.
Their reply...
We sympathise with your situation...
blah blah blah.
Basically, they have as much clue as the rest of us. Omnishambles.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... e-a9064376Free movement for EU citizens will end on day one of a no-deal Brexit, under new Home Office plans – despite warnings of chaos and of people trapped in legal limbo.
Priti Patel, the new hardline home secretary, is pressing for border restrictions to be imposed immediately on 31 October, even though no replacement system is ready, The Independent has been told.
Previously, ministers had intended to delay scrapping free movement until new rules are in place, with a bill stuck in the Commons and fierce rows over what those rules should be.
...
Thank you for your enquiry of 14/08/2019 07:00 .
We sympathise with your situation and your desire for clarity.
EU identity cards would remain valid for travel to the UK initially. Although there would be no immediate change, as we introduce the new UK immigration system from 1 January 2021, we would no longer guarantee that EU citizens will be able to use a national identity card to enter the UK. This would support the Home Office’s attempts to streamline border processes and better secure the UK's borders.
Have you a link for the denial / retraction? I'm not seeing anything (I'm also at work, so haven't time for to trawl); I did get this from yesterday: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49393556Stom wrote:This was the full text of the email I got:
Thank you for your enquiry of 14/08/2019 07:00 .
We sympathise with your situation and your desire for clarity.
EU identity cards would remain valid for travel to the UK initially. Although there would be no immediate change, as we introduce the new UK immigration system from 1 January 2021, we would no longer guarantee that EU citizens will be able to use a national identity card to enter the UK. This would support the Home Office’s attempts to streamline border processes and better secure the UK's borders.
You're right, it was a badly worded paragraph on the Granuaid - my fault for taking something they said without reading it twice.Which Tyler wrote:Have you a link for the denial / retraction? I'm not seeing anything (I'm also at work, so haven't time for to trawl); I did get this from yesterday: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49393556Stom wrote:This was the full text of the email I got:
Thank you for your enquiry of 14/08/2019 07:00 .
We sympathise with your situation and your desire for clarity.
EU identity cards would remain valid for travel to the UK initially. Although there would be no immediate change, as we introduce the new UK immigration system from 1 January 2021, we would no longer guarantee that EU citizens will be able to use a national identity card to enter the UK. This would support the Home Office’s attempts to streamline border processes and better secure the UK's borders.
"The UK government has said EU free movement rules will end immediately if there is a no-deal Brexit on 31 October. "
Of course, the official position is still that we'll get a deal, despite every single piece of evidence in existence.
I would point out that that email is dated 4 days before the government announcement that "freedom of movement stops on day 1".
No problem - it happens, and these days, nothing is too weird to not be true.Stom wrote:You're right, it was a badly worded paragraph on the Granuaid - my fault for taking something they said without reading it twice.
They can't see to get their heads around this fact. Either that or they really do understand that they can't push the EU any further in this matter and are just looking for ways to blame the EU for a no deal Brexit. Sun and Daily Hate readers will probably fall for it.Digby wrote:The ERG would likely agree with you the French are the most dubious in the EU. It is hard to see what else the EU can practically offer us if they want to keep borders to a viable ongoing EU project.
Either we need to part with NI, or the EU needs to be ripped apart. I suppose there's some sense of fun in the idea the Conservative and Unionist party could well have sundered the union and made the Tories unelectable in the process, but it doesn't seem much compensation
Sandydragon wrote:They can't see to get their heads around this fact. Either that or they really do understand that they can't push the EU any further in this matter and are just looking for ways to blame the EU for a no deal Brexit. Sun and Daily Hate readers will probably fall for it.Digby wrote:The ERG would likely agree with you the French are the most dubious in the EU. It is hard to see what else the EU can practically offer us if they want to keep borders to a viable ongoing EU project.
Either we need to part with NI, or the EU needs to be ripped apart. I suppose there's some sense of fun in the idea the Conservative and Unionist party could well have sundered the union and made the Tories unelectable in the process, but it doesn't seem much compensation
It's been clear to me for some time that this is the case. Dominic Cumming as PM's SPAD? It's a no-brainer.Sandydragon wrote:They can't see to get their heads around this fact. Either that or they really do understand that they can't push the EU any further in this matter and are just looking for ways to blame the EU for a no deal Brexit. Sun and Daily Hate readers will probably fall for it.Digby wrote:The ERG would likely agree with you the French are the most dubious in the EU. It is hard to see what else the EU can practically offer us if they want to keep borders to a viable ongoing EU project.
Either we need to part with NI, or the EU needs to be ripped apart. I suppose there's some sense of fun in the idea the Conservative and Unionist party could well have sundered the union and made the Tories unelectable in the process, but it doesn't seem much compensation
I may go and join in in Perth. I’ve never even thought about protesting before, but I can honestly say that this got my dander up.Which Tyler wrote:Map of this weekend's protests: https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mi ... 371899&z=6
Placard done, just got to print and glue in the morning (no printer at home). I've never actually protested before.
Stop the coup d'e twat