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Corbyn still wants to crash out, and not get tagged for it. It's in no way surprising he doesn't want to play ball.

Whether there are the numbers in parliament to defy their party leadership I really don't know, and that might start in any event to provoke the sort of crisis that Boris losing a vote of confidence and staying on anyway would result in.

Which brings us back to why did the MPs pass up so many chances to not be in this mess? It's just baffling, and insulting they're now starting to claim they've been had.

This is a very good summary of where we are at, and why no deal is very much on the cards.

https://news.sky.com/story/sky-views-no ... e-11779078

"There has been so much discussion in recent days about whether or not a Johnson administration, hell bent on no deal, can be stopped. Let me save all of you the bother. It can. Of course it can. If those against no-deal were willing to strain every sinew, break every party bond, abandon all other political interest and jettison precedent, they could.

They have the power, it is up to them. In other words: they would need to behave as their opponents do"

Has anyone read anything from Dominic Cumming's blog? Most of it is extremely long-winded and barely penetrable, but there are a couple of entries that are definitely worthwhile persevering with.
https://dominiccummings.com/2014/06/16/ ... ay-part-i/

and

https://dominiccummings.com/2014/10/30/ ... sfunction/

I think they offer some insight to how he plans to run the country through the medium of his hollow man.

Digby wrote:Corbyn still wants to crash out, and not get tagged for it. It's in no way surprising he doesn't want to play ball.

Whether there are the numbers in parliament to defy their party leadership I really don't know, and that might start in any event to provoke the sort of crisis that Boris losing a vote of confidence and staying on anyway would result in.

Which brings us back to why did the MPs pass up so many chances to not be in this mess? It's just baffling, and insulting they're now starting to claim they've been had.

Very much so, they took control of the process- having overwhelmingly voted to trigger A50, to be clear- and made an utter mess out of it. Hindsight says that the WA was much better than what we now face- even BoJo and Mogg finally worked that one out.

With only 4 months to go to Brexit, Mrs May does seem to have united the House - AGAINST her plan for withdrawal from the EU. Commentators are suggesting she may lose next months vote by up to 200, which would be a huge defeat.
What would happen then is anyones guess.

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I've only been off tinterweb for 6 months but that has upsetmybot.
Is that now a common occurance ?.

kk67 wrote:I've only been off tinterweb for 6 months but that has upsetmybot.
Is that now a common occurance ?.

It gave you the runs?

Banquo wrote:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49314840

Perhaps she hasn't heard of Theresa May, or indeed Margaret Thatcher

Digby wrote:

Banquo wrote:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49314840

Perhaps she hasn't heard of Theresa May, or indeed Margaret Thatcher

quite. Its a bizarre idea. Heidi Allen has signed up, so QED.

Banquo wrote:

Digby wrote:

Banquo wrote:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49314840

Perhaps she hasn't heard of Theresa May, or indeed Margaret Thatcher

quite. Its a bizarre idea. Heidi Allen has signed up, so QED.

I'm not perturbed if Lucas or Allen are involved, though I don't know what Dominic Grieve has done especially wrong, Ken Clarke offers another big name they'd just be skipping over, and to get Labour numbers you'd surely want someone like Keir involved given there's no way Corbyn is going to be interested

Digby wrote:

Banquo wrote:

Digby wrote:
Perhaps she hasn't heard of Theresa May, or indeed Margaret Thatcher

quite. Its a bizarre idea. Heidi Allen has signed up, so QED.

I'm not perturbed if Lucas or Allen are involved, though I don't know what Dominic Grieve has done especially wrong, Ken Clarke offers another big name they'd just be skipping over, and to get Labour numbers you'd surely want someone like Keir involved given there's no way Corbyn is going to be interested

Allen is a flake. Clarke is of the view that Brexit should happen, so doesn't appeal to Lucas's actual agenda.

Banquo wrote:

Digby wrote:

Banquo wrote: quite. Its a bizarre idea. Heidi Allen has signed up, so QED.

I'm not perturbed if Lucas or Allen are involved, though I don't know what Dominic Grieve has done especially wrong, Ken Clarke offers another big name they'd just be skipping over, and to get Labour numbers you'd surely want someone like Keir involved given there's no way Corbyn is going to be interested

Allen is a flake. Clarke is of the view that Brexit should happen, so doesn't appeal to Lucas's actual agenda.

This.

A flake who threw away her political career over something she believed in whilst being subject to some vile threats then. If only we had a few more flakes.

Can anyone show me the Leave campaign literature promising the imposition of martial law?
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news ... v7v?fbclid

How about the establishment of a "ministry for truth" complete with its own Goebbels?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/20 ... ttal-unit/?

Which Tyler wrote:Can anyone show me the Leave campaign literature promising the imposition of martial law?
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news ... v7v?fbclid

How about the establishment of a "ministry for truth" complete with its own Goebbels?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/20 ... ttal-unit/?

Nigel Farage will get back to you once he's finished aping Trump with his going after the one person of colour in the royal family

Digby wrote:A flake who threw away her political career over something she believed in whilst being subject to some vile threats then. If only we had a few more flakes.

she's the MP in the constituency next to mine, and she's not the martyr or angel you make her out to be. Then again, you have put your money where your mouth is. Having campaigned actively on a Leave ticket to get elected, one might have expected her to resign her seat and stand again.

Banquo wrote:

Digby wrote:A flake who threw away her political career over something she believed in whilst being subject to some vile threats then. If only we had a few more flakes.

she's the MP in the constituency next to mine, and she's not the martyr or angel you make her out to be. Then again, you have put your money where your mouth is. Having campaigned actively on a Leave ticket to get elected, one might have expected her to resign her seat and stand again.

I think the Tories realised they were heading right and then suddenly looked to boost the number of Cameron One Nation Tory MPs back when Cameron was in charge, suggesting as ever that party leadership exercises no control of local party chooses and wouldn't dream of imposing, and that's created a bit of a muddle with the control still slewing right regardless and the One Nation charges finding themselves increasingly untethered, especially those without a history of membership to the Tory party in the Commons. Whether she's overall not especially bright, or simply not suited to politics I don't know, I really only know her from Brexit and her reaction to that.

Digby wrote:

Banquo wrote:

Digby wrote:A flake who threw away her political career over something she believed in whilst being subject to some vile threats then. If only we had a few more flakes.

she's the MP in the constituency next to mine, and she's not the martyr or angel you make her out to be. Then again, you have put your money where your mouth is. Having campaigned actively on a Leave ticket to get elected, one might have expected her to resign her seat and stand again.

I think the Tories realised they were heading right and then suddenly looked to boost the number of Cameron One Nation Tory MPs back when Cameron was in charge, suggesting as ever that party leadership exercises no control of local party chooses and wouldn't dream of imposing, and that's created a bit of a muddle with the control still slewing right regardless and the One Nation charges finding themselves increasingly untethered, especially those without a history of membership to the Tory party in the Commons. Whether she's overall not especially bright, or simply not suited to politics I don't know, I really only know her from Brexit and her reaction to that.

This.

Digby wrote:

Which Tyler wrote:Can anyone show me the Leave campaign literature promising the imposition of martial law?
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news ... v7v?fbclid

How about the establishment of a "ministry for truth" complete with its own Goebbels?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/20 ... ttal-unit/?

Nigel Farage will get back to you once he's finished aping Trump with his going after the one person of colour in the royal family

Outstanding work from Nigel as it turns out, and he's getting plenty of column inches which he'll love. And there is a defence of his comments as per an aide to dear Nigel in that he wasn't making the comments as part of a speech, so that's okay then.

Amongst all the talk of who should lead any potential GNU, I hear Tom Wood has said that he would reluctantly accept the responsibility of Prime Ministership if offered.