Re: England vs Samoa - Sat 4.45pm
Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2023 6:50 pm
I hate Andrew Brace and Brian the fun ruiner TMO
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Re: England vs Samoa - Sat 4.45pm
Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2023 6:50 pm
Samoa can feel a little hard done to there. TMO was England’s best player
Re: England vs Samoa - Sat 4.45pm
Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2023 6:52 pm
They were all over it in the first half. That fucking TMO scrubbed points an aeon after they were scored. I don't often go for the ref fucked us angle, but christ on a bike.
Re: England vs Samoa - Sat 4.45pm
Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2023 6:54 pm
So, I didn't see the game, only a small part of it. But at least we got the funniest moment in the WC so far. The look on lukewarm water-man's face when he was told...hilarious.
Oh, and in what I did see...we were abysmal.
Oh, and in what I did see...we were abysmal.
Re: England vs Samoa - Sat 4.45pm
Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2023 6:55 pm
Woodward demanding 10.Ford/Farrell 12 Manu 13 Marchant and pace. I take back everything I posted yesterday.
Re: England vs Samoa - Sat 4.45pm
Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2023 6:56 pm
Fuck you England (with the exception of every poster here, wot are nice, funny and engaging).
Re: England vs Samoa - Sat 4.45pm
Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2023 6:56 pm
I was actively cheering for Samoa. This world cup felt closer than the others before it, going into it at least but that's not really the way it has worked out. Samoa gave a great showing there and it was a shame they didn't take it. I have a feeling they missed a kick at some point, which must sting a bit. The ref's decision on the disallowed try (the late one) was iffy but they had other chances too.
England were so bad after the first 15/20 mins. I look forward to Surinamese Bulgarian explaining why that was actually a good performance and why we need more of the same (especially with regards to Farrell).
England were so bad after the first 15/20 mins. I look forward to Surinamese Bulgarian explaining why that was actually a good performance and why we need more of the same (especially with regards to Farrell).
Re: England vs Samoa - Sat 4.45pm
Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2023 6:58 pm
Re: England vs Samoa - Sat 4.45pm
Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2023 6:58 pm
Re: England vs Samoa - Sat 4.45pm
Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2023 7:00 pm
Is Borthwick ruthless enough to make necessary calls for QFs? (
and I expect like MJ he’s just a bit too nice to do so)
1. Ford at 10 not Farrell
2. Lawes moved to lock or bench
3.Itoje benched - he’s coasting at best ( and has lived off his reputation pretty much post RWC 2019 imo )
4. May and Cole pensioned off
5. Call up a specialist 8 given Jack Willis’ injury - neither Billy nor Earl are ideal there for quite differing reasons
and I expect like MJ he’s just a bit too nice to do so)
1. Ford at 10 not Farrell
2. Lawes moved to lock or bench
3.Itoje benched - he’s coasting at best ( and has lived off his reputation pretty much post RWC 2019 imo )
4. May and Cole pensioned off
5. Call up a specialist 8 given Jack Willis’ injury - neither Billy nor Earl are ideal there for quite differing reasons
Re: England vs Samoa - Sat 4.45pm
Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2023 7:01 pm
To be fair Care (somewhat), Smith and Lawrence did
Re: England vs Samoa - Sat 4.45pm
Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2023 7:06 pm
The bench worked alright to be fair. Martin's crunching hit on Sapoaga forced the knock on that got us the ball back with Samoa threatening.Epaminondas Pules wrote: ↑Sat Oct 07, 2023 7:01 pmTo be fair Care (somewhat), Smith and Lawrence did
I'm grasping at straws here...
Re: England vs Samoa - Sat 4.45pm
Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2023 7:07 pm
Well we did improve a bit after h/t and did - just - enough to scramble a win. Thought Care and Lawrence added something.
Overall we were pretty shit. The error count was horrendous, the lack of accuracy was truly amateurish and we fell asleep defensively at key moments.
Its a joke that this team, playing this poorly, is in the QF but thats the luck of the draw for you.
Overall we were pretty shit. The error count was horrendous, the lack of accuracy was truly amateurish and we fell asleep defensively at key moments.
Its a joke that this team, playing this poorly, is in the QF but thats the luck of the draw for you.
Re: England vs Samoa - Sat 4.45pm
Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2023 7:12 pm
Holy shit, you guys must be looking forward to playing Fiji after that performance.
Re: England vs Samoa - Sat 4.45pm
Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2023 7:14 pm
I just hope SB looks at that match with ruthless realism. He needs to reassess.
Re: England vs Samoa - Sat 4.45pm
Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2023 7:15 pm
Not as much as I suspect Fiji will be looking forward to playing usSon of Mathonwy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 07, 2023 7:12 pm Holy shit, you guys must be looking forward to playing Fiji after that performance.
Re: England vs Samoa - Sat 4.45pm
Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2023 7:23 pm
Woodward was like a comedy act. "What this game proves it that we need everyone playing in their right positions. No more trying to fit players in, just players in their correct positions: Ford or Farrell, Tuilagi, Marchant... then we need to have Smith at fullback and Steward on the wing."
Mind, I don't know what sensible punditry there was to make on that game. Just so many basic, simple, individual skills errors. Chessum getting stripped, Earl losing it at the back of a scrum, Martin forgetting to catch at the lineout, so many individual knock-ons, the IceMan firing a pass that was never on at Tuilagi when the best outcome was 1-on-4 underlap, that penalty, Steward half-heartedly flapping an arm at the cross-field kick, clearly thinking it was going dead, Ford failing to aim a single one of his punts, George throwing a not straight lineout?! I just don't even know what to say. Can't even judge a single one of the systems from that game cause everyone just played like they'd spent the afternoon drinking heavily.
Puja
Re: England vs Samoa - Sat 4.45pm
Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2023 7:27 pm
Jesus Christ that was awful. I found myself throwing my arms in the air when Samoa lost the ball at the end there. I genuinely didn’t want England to win.
Just utter dog shit. We look completely incoherent. Despite what people keep saying this isn’t a new group of players. Nobody seems to be on the same page. Was anything learned from messing about with positions aside from it all being a bit underwhelming?
Woodward’s “get people back in their correct positions, but also Smith at 15 and Steward on the wing” made me laugh at least.
Just utter dog shit. We look completely incoherent. Despite what people keep saying this isn’t a new group of players. Nobody seems to be on the same page. Was anything learned from messing about with positions aside from it all being a bit underwhelming?
Woodward’s “get people back in their correct positions, but also Smith at 15 and Steward on the wing” made me laugh at least.
Re: England vs Samoa - Sat 4.45pm
Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2023 7:27 pm
Poor coaching, innit.Puja wrote: ↑Sat Oct 07, 2023 7:23 pmWoodward was like a comedy act. "What this game proves it that we need everyone playing in their right positions. No more trying to fit players in, just players in their correct positions: Ford or Farrell, Tuilagi, Marchant... then we need to have Smith at fullback and Steward on the wing."
Mind, I don't know what sensible punditry there was to make on that game. Just so many basic, simple, individual skills errors. Chessum getting stripped, Earl losing it at the back of a scrum, Martin forgetting to catch at the lineout, so many individual knock-ons, the IceMan firing a pass that was never on at Tuilagi when the best outcome was 1-on-4 underlap, that penalty, Steward half-heartedly flapping an arm at the cross-field kick, clearly thinking it was going dead, Ford failing to aim a single one of his punts, George throwing a not straight lineout?! I just don't even know what to say. Can't even judge a single one of the systems from that game cause everyone just played like they'd spent the afternoon drinking heavily.
Puja
Re: England vs Samoa - Sat 4.45pm
Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2023 7:28 pm
One small aside: there was a bit of a murmur from the crowd when Farrell broke the point-scoring record. A popular player would have attracted a cheer to take the roof off.
Re: England vs Samoa - Sat 4.45pm
Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2023 7:31 pm
Don't forget the IceMan running out of time for a penalty kick.Puja wrote: ↑Sat Oct 07, 2023 7:23 pmWoodward was like a comedy act. "What this game proves it that we need everyone playing in their right positions. No more trying to fit players in, just players in their correct positions: Ford or Farrell, Tuilagi, Marchant... then we need to have Smith at fullback and Steward on the wing."
Mind, I don't know what sensible punditry there was to make on that game. Just so many basic, simple, individual skills errors. Chessum getting stripped, Earl losing it at the back of a scrum, Martin forgetting to catch at the lineout, so many individual knock-ons, the IceMan firing a pass that was never on at Tuilagi when the best outcome was 1-on-4 underlap, that penalty, Steward half-heartedly flapping an arm at the cross-field kick, clearly thinking it was going dead, Ford failing to aim a single one of his punts, George throwing a not straight lineout?! I just don't even know what to say. Can't even judge a single one of the systems from that game cause everyone just played like they'd spent the afternoon drinking heavily.
Puja
I think Wilkinson's transcendental musings make the perfect punditry for this. One needs to be philosophical.
Re: England vs Samoa - Sat 4.45pm
Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2023 7:51 pm
"Can't even judge a single one of the systems from that game cause everyone just played like they'd spent the afternoon drinking heavily."
Re: England vs Samoa - Sat 4.45pm
Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2023 7:57 pm
drop Farrell, for the love of god, drop him.
Re: England vs Samoa - Sat 4.45pm
Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2023 8:03 pm
Where do you even start?
I think I watched pretty much every game during the misrules of Robinson and Johnson and can't remember a performance more abject than that.
I think I watched pretty much every game during the misrules of Robinson and Johnson and can't remember a performance more abject than that.
Re: England vs Samoa - Sat 4.45pm
Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2023 9:04 pm
Is it significant that SB waited till after this game to call up a replacement for Willis?