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Mellsblue wrote:I think most Cons realise, and most candidates have said, that going to the country before sorting Brexit is a recipe for a Lab govt due to so much of the Con vote moving to BP. I’d imagine a GE will only be called if parliament force it.
I think most MPs realise, and most candidates have said, that a GE before Brexit is a recipe for a Lab govt. A govt headed by an all powerful (within the Lab party due to delivering a GE win and a new tranche of Corbynite MPs) Corbyn who hates the EU capitalist cabal and it’s imperialist allies*.
I suppose Putin would be happy. He’d be able to cash in a ‘buy one, get one free’ coupon on the referendum victory he’s alleged to have bought.

*I think I got the terminology right.

I don't think you're wrong, but what's the other options? They don't have the support in the house to get a deal approved without a minor miracle. They go towards No Deal, eventually the House will take back control and there'll probably be a GE anyway.

Even if it isn't policy for them, they have to set forth on the assumption one is quite likely.

And while Peterborough is a good sign for Labour, they had 450+ activists on the street before 11am in the town that day. They can't replicate that everywhere in a GE.

Peat wrote:

Mellsblue wrote:I think most Cons realise, and most candidates have said, that going to the country before sorting Brexit is a recipe for a Lab govt due to so much of the Con vote moving to BP. I’d imagine a GE will only be called if parliament force it.
I think most MPs realise, and most candidates have said, that a GE before Brexit is a recipe for a Lab govt. A govt headed by an all powerful (within the Lab party due to delivering a GE win and a new tranche of Corbynite MPs) Corbyn who hates the EU capitalist cabal and it’s imperialist allies*.
I suppose Putin would be happy. He’d be able to cash in a ‘buy one, get one free’ coupon on the referendum victory he’s alleged to have bought.

*I think I got the terminology right.

I don't think you're wrong, but what's the other options?

F**k knows. I wouldn’t be posting drivel on here if I had the answer!
I suppose we have to hope that the next PM is a miracle worker. A long shot, I know. I suppose we have to hope the non-Bojo candidate gets the nod (another long shot) or Boris shoots himself in the foot over the next couple of weeks (may be our best hope). Some of those with a more sensible Brexit policy might be able to get the parliamentary numbers. For example, if Hancock wins (a very long shot) I think his Brexit policy could allow both the EU and the ERG to make only small moves that might get us over the line.
Long story short, we need Boris to blowup in the next couple of weeks. Of those left, other than Raab who stands no chance, he’s the only one who has managed to burn his bridges with the EU.

Mellsblue wrote:

Peat wrote:

Mellsblue wrote:I think most Cons realise, and most candidates have said, that going to the country before sorting Brexit is a recipe for a Lab govt due to so much of the Con vote moving to BP. I’d imagine a GE will only be called if parliament force it.
I think most MPs realise, and most candidates have said, that a GE before Brexit is a recipe for a Lab govt. A govt headed by an all powerful (within the Lab party due to delivering a GE win and a new tranche of Corbynite MPs) Corbyn who hates the EU capitalist cabal and it’s imperialist allies*.
I suppose Putin would be happy. He’d be able to cash in a ‘buy one, get one free’ coupon on the referendum victory he’s alleged to have bought.

*I think I got the terminology right.

I don't think you're wrong, but what's the other options?

F**k knows. I wouldn’t be posting drivel on here if I had the answer!
I suppose we have to hope that the next PM is a miracle worker. A long shot, I know. I suppose we have to hope the non-Bojo candidate gets the nod (another long shot) or Boris shoots himself in the foot over the next couple of weeks (may be our best hope). Some of those with a more sensible Brexit policy might be able to get the parliamentary numbers. For example, if Hancock wins (a very long shot) I think his Brexit policy could allow both the EU and the ERG to make only small moves that might get us over the line.
Long story short, we need Boris to blowup in the next couple of weeks. Of those left, other than Raab who stands no chance, he’s the only one who has managed to burn his bridges with the EU.

It is genuinely astonishing that he's got as far as he has without shooting himself in the foot and I very much share your hope that he does.

But I think even a Hancock will end up going back to the people unless something astonishing happens.

I used the word astonishing too much in that post but really can't think of a better one for the circs.

Peat wrote:

Mellsblue wrote:

Peat wrote:
I don't think you're wrong, but what's the other options?

F**k knows. I wouldn’t be posting drivel on here if I had the answer!
I suppose we have to hope that the next PM is a miracle worker. A long shot, I know. I suppose we have to hope the non-Bojo candidate gets the nod (another long shot) or Boris shoots himself in the foot over the next couple of weeks (may be our best hope). Some of those with a more sensible Brexit policy might be able to get the parliamentary numbers. For example, if Hancock wins (a very long shot) I think his Brexit policy could allow both the EU and the ERG to make only small moves that might get us over the line.
Long story short, we need Boris to blowup in the next couple of weeks. Of those left, other than Raab who stands no chance, he’s the only one who has managed to burn his bridges with the EU.

It is genuinely astonishing that he's got as far as he has without shooting himself in the foot and I very much share your hope that he does.

But I think even a Hancock will end up going back to the people unless something astonishing happens.

I used the word astonishing too much in that post but really can't think of a better one for the circs.

It’s only because he’s done virtually nothing so far. If he turns he to the debate on Tuesday things could get interesting.

So the first round of voting for the next Tory leader is over and there's good and bad news.

The good is that Leadsom and McVey are both out. Leadsom is frankly not capable of tying her own shoelaces and McVey is a closet ukipper.

The bad is that Boris is a long way ahead, although he isn't uncatchable. If we assume that the ERG and other nutters have decided to back Boris, then there are are other votes that could head his way from McVey and Raab (assuming he falls at some point), but more votes may coalesce around a stop Boris candidate. Its possible that 2 other candidates will oust Johnson, although it will probably require Boris to shoot himself in the foot again.

Boris is developing a Trump-like immunity to consequences nowadays. Here is a sourced list of 80+ bigoted, untrue, and embarrassing things Boris has said - the author compiled it as a take-that, but I'm just finding it depressing that he's got away with so much and is still likely to be PM.



Puja

Johnson is a proven liar, a shameless chancer and lazy charlatan who isnt fit to be an MP, let alone be PM.

Of course the Tories will make him their leader.

fivepointer wrote:Johnson is a proven liar, a shameless chancer and lazy charlatan who isnt fit to be an MP, let alone be PM.

Of course the Tories will make him their leader.

lol.

He is the perfect representation of the modern Tory party. Almost the anti-Thatcher...

Brexit's gonna be fucking grim, we may as well have something/someone to laugh at while we suffer. Out of all the Brexiteer candidates, Boris is the only one I can watch talk, because he at least has a sense of humour.

That said, I wouldn't vote for him, and I think that Rory Stewart is the best candidate. He's an interesting character, apparently he walked through the middle east from Turkey to Bangladesh when he was young https://youtu.be/ng4nw-tdOZw?t=131, staying with locals. The actions of someone who wants to understand people, and is curious of other cultures (without just wanting to sound clever like Boris does).

Zhivago wrote:That said, I wouldn't vote for him, and I think that Rory Stewart is the best candidate. He's an interesting character, apparently he walked through the middle east from Turkey to Bangladesh when he was young https://youtu.be/ng4nw-tdOZw?t=131, staying with locals. The actions of someone who wants to understand people, and is curious of other cultures (without just wanting to sound clever like Boris does).

Stewart's definitely the most palatable of the remaining candidates (although not entirely without issues), but I can't see him standing a hope in hell of winning, mostly because he's palatable to the mainstream and thus not nearly awful enough to appeal to the Tory membership.

Puja

Puja wrote:

Zhivago wrote:That said, I wouldn't vote for him, and I think that Rory Stewart is the best candidate. He's an interesting character, apparently he walked through the middle east from Turkey to Bangladesh when he was young https://youtu.be/ng4nw-tdOZw?t=131, staying with locals. The actions of someone who wants to understand people, and is curious of other cultures (without just wanting to sound clever like Boris does).

Stewart's definitely the most palatable of the remaining candidates (although not entirely without issues), but I can't see him standing a hope in hell of winning, mostly because he's palatable to the mainstream and thus not nearly awful enough to appeal to the Tory membership.

Puja

apparently running 2nd to Bojo amongst Tory members...which is odd.

Banquo wrote:

Puja wrote:

Zhivago wrote:That said, I wouldn't vote for him, and I think that Rory Stewart is the best candidate. He's an interesting character, apparently he walked through the middle east from Turkey to Bangladesh when he was young https://youtu.be/ng4nw-tdOZw?t=131, staying with locals. The actions of someone who wants to understand people, and is curious of other cultures (without just wanting to sound clever like Boris does).

Stewart's definitely the most palatable of the remaining candidates (although not entirely without issues), but I can't see him standing a hope in hell of winning, mostly because he's palatable to the mainstream and thus not nearly awful enough to appeal to the Tory membership.

Puja

apparently running 2nd to Bojo amongst Tory members...which is odd.

I suppose he is the poshest person running, which has got to count for something.

Puja

Puja wrote:

Banquo wrote:

Puja wrote:
Stewart's definitely the most palatable of the remaining candidates (although not entirely without issues), but I can't see him standing a hope in hell of winning, mostly because he's palatable to the mainstream and thus not nearly awful enough to appeal to the Tory membership.

Puja

apparently running 2nd to Bojo amongst Tory members...which is odd.

I suppose he is the poshest person running, which has got to count for something.

Puja

That may or may not be so, I haven't checked. He is the son of a diplomat I think, and worked in that area of government. At this crucial time, that's the sort of person we need. Not a clown who likes to play with words.

No no, you need someone as thick as pigshit that whines like a little bitch being the perpetual victime every day.

Wait, that sounds a bit like me...

Puja wrote:

Banquo wrote:

Puja wrote:
Stewart's definitely the most palatable of the remaining candidates (although not entirely without issues), but I can't see him standing a hope in hell of winning, mostly because he's palatable to the mainstream and thus not nearly awful enough to appeal to the Tory membership.

Puja

apparently running 2nd to Bojo amongst Tory members...which is odd.

I suppose he is the poshest person running, which has got to count for something.

Puja

I didn’t think you were the sort of person to make generalised disparaging remarks about a minority group. Facist.

Mellsblue wrote:

Puja wrote:

Banquo wrote: apparently running 2nd to Bojo amongst Tory members...which is odd.

I suppose he is the poshest person running, which has got to count for something.

Puja

I didn’t think you were the sort of person to make generalised disparaging remarks about a minority group. Facist.

They're not a minority group... in terms of wealth at least, and that's what really counts in this country.

Mellsblue wrote:

Puja wrote:

Banquo wrote: apparently running 2nd to Bojo amongst Tory members...which is odd.

I suppose he is the poshest person running, which has got to count for something.

Puja

I didn’t think you were the sort of person to make generalised disparaging remarks about a minority group. Facist.

I'm surprised at you assuming the word "posh" is disparaging. The assumptions you make both about him and me are disgusting and frankly, I thought better of you!

Puja

https://www.indy100.com/article/rory-st ... eo-8953271

This just takes the biscuit.

Puja wrote:

Mellsblue wrote:

Puja wrote:
I suppose he is the poshest person running, which has got to count for something.

Puja

I didn’t think you were the sort of person to make generalised disparaging remarks about a minority group. Facist.

frankly, I thought better of you!

Puja

Honestly?!?!? After all this time of reading the bollox I post on here?!?!?

Zhivago wrote:

Mellsblue wrote:

Puja wrote:
I suppose he is the poshest person running, which has got to count for something.

Puja

I didn’t think you were the sort of person to make generalised disparaging remarks about a minority group. Facist.

They're not a minority group... in terms of wealth at least, and that's what really counts in this country.

Get a grip.

Mellsblue wrote:

Puja wrote:

Mellsblue wrote: I didn’t think you were the sort of person to make generalised disparaging remarks about a minority group. Facist.

frankly, I thought better of you!

Puja

Honestly?!?!? After all this time of reading the bollox I post on here?!?!?

Good point

Puja

Mellsblue wrote:

Zhivago wrote:

Mellsblue wrote: I didn’t think you were the sort of person to make generalised disparaging remarks about a minority group. Facist.

They're not a minority group... in terms of wealth at least, and that's what really counts in this country.

Get a grip.

It's just a joke - calm down dear.

Zhivago wrote:

Mellsblue wrote:

Zhivago wrote:
They're not a minority group... in terms of wealth at least, and that's what really counts in this country.

Get a grip.

It's just a joke - calm down dear.

A) We all know it wasn’t
B) You are David Cameron and I claim my £10.

Zhivago wrote:https://www.indy100.com/article/rory-st ... eo-8953271

This just takes the biscuit.

Oh FFS.
Humanity does not deserve to survive

Zhivago wrote:https://www.indy100.com/article/rory-st ... eo-8953271

This just takes the biscuit.

Storm meet teacup, teacup meet storm.