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Sandydragon wrote:

Digby wrote:Boris is loud but with nothing to actually say, Raab is more Brexity than Brexit, and Gove is a coke fiend. Anyone surprised?

Boris is just a showman. Sadly that will probably be enough to win him the election as the membership (and MPs) will believe that he has enough personality to blitz Corbyn.

I like Rory Stewart, but its feel a bit early for him.

I quite like Stewart too, but he was conveniently moved from the job at Prisons before he'd have had to resign for failing, and he's hardly proving gaffe proof now. Still, Boris is Trumpesque on the gaffe front and a well know consumer of drugs into the bargain, and he's doing sadly all too well

Boris vs Jeremy, it's enough to turn one to drink had I not already started for the day

Digby wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:

Digby wrote:Boris is loud but with nothing to actually say, Raab is more Brexity than Brexit, and Gove is a coke fiend. Anyone surprised?

Boris is just a showman. Sadly that will probably be enough to win him the election as the membership (and MPs) will believe that he has enough personality to blitz Corbyn.

I like Rory Stewart, but its feel a bit early for him.

I quite like Stewart too, but he was conveniently moved from the job at Prisons before he'd have had to resign for failing, and he's hardly proving gaffe proof now. Still, Boris is Trumpesque on the gaffe front and a well know consumer of drugs into the bargain, and he's doing sadly all too well

Boris vs Jeremy, it's enough to turn one to drink had I not already started for the day

Jesus. I would normally say anything but Boris, but the thought of Hunt managing to fail upwards to lead the country makes my gorge rise.

Puja

Digby wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:

Digby wrote:Boris is loud but with nothing to actually say, Raab is more Brexity than Brexit, and Gove is a coke fiend. Anyone surprised?

Boris is just a showman. Sadly that will probably be enough to win him the election as the membership (and MPs) will believe that he has enough personality to blitz Corbyn.

I like Rory Stewart, but its feel a bit early for him.

I quite like Stewart too, but he was conveniently moved from the job at Prisons before he'd have had to resign for failing, and he's hardly proving gaffe proof now. Still, Boris is Trumpesque on the gaffe front and a well know consumer of drugs into the bargain, and he's doing sadly all too well

Boris vs Jeremy, it's enough to turn one to drink had I not already started for the day

Maybe try something harder - it seems to be all the rage right now.

Incidentally, I sort of masochistically hope to see Corbyn vs Johnson in an election as the smear campaigns would be something else - I'm sure the number of dodgy photos and accusations around both is off the charts.

Boris has doubled down on his plan of a tax break for high earners by saying it would be funded with an increase in NI contributions. Literally taking from the poor to give to the rich - one can only stand up and applaud the bald honesty of the position.

Puja

Puja wrote:Boris has doubled down on his plan of a tax break for high earners by saying it would be funded with an increase in NI contributions. Literally taking from the poor to give to the rich - one can only stand up and applaud the bald honesty of the position.

Puja

He understands his audience. The Tory membership will lap this up.

Puja wrote:Boris has doubled down on his plan of a tax break for high earners by saying it would be funded with an increase in NI contributions. Literally taking from the poor to give to the rich - one can only stand up and applaud the bald honesty of the position.

Puja

and also fcks over Scotland (who can set own tax rates but not NI). I've never seen a party so utterly out of touch and sense.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 53896.html

Labour will mount a fresh bid to seize control of the Commons agenda to prevent the next Tory prime minister forcing through a no-deal Brexit.

The cross-party bid, led by Jeremy Corbyn, would see opposition MPs hijack the parliamentary timetable on 25 June, allowing them to introduce legislation to prevent the UK crashing out of the EU without a deal.

It comes amid mounting fears a new Tory leader could try to force through a no-deal Brexit on 31 October, with several contenders vowing to leave on that date, with or without a deal.

Dominic Raab, the ex-Brexit secretary, provoked outrage when he mooted suspending parliament to prevent MPs from blocking Brexit.

I still can't quite my head around ANY MP actually suggesting it in the first place; we live in a truly weird political climate

Banquo wrote:

Puja wrote:Boris has doubled down on his plan of a tax break for high earners by saying it would be funded with an increase in NI contributions. Literally taking from the poor to give to the rich - one can only stand up and applaud the bald honesty of the position.

Puja

and also fcks over Scotland (who can set own tax rates but not NI). I've never seen a party so utterly out of touch and sense.

It's classic Boris though, isn't it? It's a beautiful promise to the Tory membership (many of whom will be on large pensions and thus will benefit from the tax cut without having to pay NI), but once he's won, he'll put it off as a job for after Brexit and it'll be quietly forgotten about (or put to a vote which it won't win and he'll say he tried his best). Come an election, he'll be peddling whatever truth he needs to win that selection of voters, with previous promises all left in the past.

Puja

Puja wrote:

Banquo wrote:

Puja wrote:Boris has doubled down on his plan of a tax break for high earners by saying it would be funded with an increase in NI contributions. Literally taking from the poor to give to the rich - one can only stand up and applaud the bald honesty of the position.

Puja

and also fcks over Scotland (who can set own tax rates but not NI). I've never seen a party so utterly out of touch and sense.

It's classic Boris though, isn't it? It's a beautiful promise to the Tory membership (many of whom will be on large pensions and thus will benefit from the tax cut without having to pay NI), but once he's won, he'll put it off as a job for after Brexit and it'll be quietly forgotten about (or put to a vote which it won't win and he'll say he tried his best). Come an election, he'll be peddling whatever truth he needs to win that selection of voters, with previous promises all left in the past.

Puja

oh yes, playing to 150000 for his own ambition. He's a c&nt and a traitor.

Banquo wrote:

Puja wrote:

Banquo wrote: and also fcks over Scotland (who can set own tax rates but not NI). I've never seen a party so utterly out of touch and sense.

It's classic Boris though, isn't it? It's a beautiful promise to the Tory membership (many of whom will be on large pensions and thus will benefit from the tax cut without having to pay NI), but once he's won, he'll put it off as a job for after Brexit and it'll be quietly forgotten about (or put to a vote which it won't win and he'll say he tried his best). Come an election, he'll be peddling whatever truth he needs to win that selection of voters, with previous promises all left in the past.

Puja

oh yes, playing to 150000 for his own ambition. He's a c&nt and a traitor.

Diggers, give Banquo his laptop back.

Mellsblue wrote:

Banquo wrote:

Puja wrote:
It's classic Boris though, isn't it? It's a beautiful promise to the Tory membership (many of whom will be on large pensions and thus will benefit from the tax cut without having to pay NI), but once he's won, he'll put it off as a job for after Brexit and it'll be quietly forgotten about (or put to a vote which it won't win and he'll say he tried his best). Come an election, he'll be peddling whatever truth he needs to win that selection of voters, with previous promises all left in the past.

Puja

oh yes, playing to 150000 for his own ambition. He's a c&nt and a traitor.

Diggers, give Banquo his laptop back.

sadly, its me and I've always thought this of our future PM.

Banquo wrote:

Mellsblue wrote:

Banquo wrote: oh yes, playing to 150000 for his own ambition. He's a c&nt and a traitor.

Diggers, give Banquo his laptop back.

sadly, its me and I've always thought this of our future PM.

I'm ashamed I didn't

All of those from the Bullington club are as bad as each other. They're not in politics to serve.

This is pretty fucking grim. Incompetent leadership seems to be spreading throughout the world like an aggressive cancer.

Banquo wrote:

Mellsblue wrote:

Banquo wrote: oh yes, playing to 150000 for his own ambition. He's a c&nt and a traitor.

Diggers, give Banquo his laptop back.

sadly, its me and I've always thought this of our future PM.

Besides, the poor people voted for Brexit and thus deserve this sort of treatment. Maybe Brexit has made me a Tory

Digby wrote:

Banquo wrote:

Mellsblue wrote: Diggers, give Banquo his laptop back.

sadly, its me and I've always thought this of our future PM.

Besides, the poor people voted for Brexit and thus deserve this sort of treatment. Maybe Brexit has made me a Tory

Going from what you post on RR, other than Brexit I’d say you are.

Mellsblue wrote:

Digby wrote:

Banquo wrote: sadly, its me and I've always thought this of our future PM.

Besides, the poor people voted for Brexit and thus deserve this sort of treatment. Maybe Brexit has made me a Tory

Going from what you post on RR, other than Brexit I’d say you are.

That would be a poor guide indeed, not that any structured attempt at a coherent policy would be much better

Pretty depressing events in Parliament today. Party before sanity.

As a whole, this country really is going to get what's coming to it.

Son of Mathonwy wrote:Pretty depressing events in Parliament today. Party before sanity.

I don't think a lot of Tories realise there is no-one in the EU around to agree a new deal before 31st Oct, so the threat of no deal is just a gun to our own head

Banquo wrote:

Son of Mathonwy wrote:Pretty depressing events in Parliament today. Party before sanity.

I don't think a lot of Tories realise there is no-one in the EU around to agree a new deal before 31st Oct, so the threat of no deal is just a gun to our own head

Even if they were, given how long it took to negotiate the current deal, do they really think that they can negotiate something better in a couple of months? And then get it through parliament?

Utter madness. We had 3 options under May, they haven't really changed except that the the political fashion setters have decided that May's deal is dead and cannot be revived - which is actually bollocks.

So with this same Parliament, where there isn't a majority for anything, a new leader is expected to get something through. I think that the likelihood of a motion of no confidence is very high if the new leader tries to force hard Brexit through by stealth.

The lack of majority is the problem. I think they're currently in GE focus, not Brexit focus; hence all the remainers saying nice things about Boris, because they think only he can win. Go to the country, change the parliamentary maths, then go from there.

Peat wrote:The lack of majority is the problem. I think they're currently in GE focus, not Brexit focus; hence all the remainers saying nice things about Boris, because they think only he can win. Go to the country, change the parliamentary maths, then go from there.

I like the fact that we're still ignoring the fact that we're not alone in these negotiations, arguing with ourselves. The EU was split over giving us the last extension and explicitly warned us not to waste the additional time. And what have we done? Pissed it away with nary a hint that we might have a plan or an idea for how we go forwards.

Now, the EU may still give us another extension, because they still have the hope that we'll eventually settle on a deal, because they might hope we'll revoke, or for their own ineffable reasons. But they're just as likely to point out that they've given us two extensions and we can crash out for all they care.

Puja

I think most Cons realise, and most candidates have said, that going to the country before sorting Brexit is a recipe for a Lab govt due to so much of the Con vote moving to BP. I’d imagine a GE will only be called if parliament force it.
I think most MPs realise, and most candidates have said, that a GE before Brexit is a recipe for a Lab govt. A govt headed by an all powerful (within the Lab party due to delivering a GE win and a new tranche of Corbynite MPs) Corbyn who hates the EU capitalist cabal and it’s imperialist allies*.
I suppose Putin would be happy. He’d be able to cash in a ‘buy one, get one free’ coupon on the referendum victory he’s alleged to have bought.

*I think I got the terminology right.

Mellsblue wrote:I think most Cons realise, and most candidates have said, that going to the country before sorting Brexit is a recipe for a Lab govt due to so much of the Con vote moving to BP. I’d imagine a GE will only be called if parliament force it.
I think most MPs realise, and most candidates have said, that a GE before Brexit is a recipe for a Lab govt. A govt headed by an all powerful (within the Lab party due to delivering a GE win and a new tranche of Corbynite MPs) Corbyn who hates the EU capitalist cabal and it’s imperialist allies*.
I suppose Putin would be happy. He’d be able to cash in a ‘buy one, get one free’ coupon on the referendum victory he’s alleged to have bought.

*I think I got the terminology right.

I believe it's "capitalist running dogs", but I take your point.

I'm not sure a GE before Brexit is necessarily a recipe for Labour. Corbyn has upset a lot of the Labour base with his equivocation and they'll lose votes to Lib Dem and Green all over the place, as well as just losing votes to people who came out for the first time in 2017 and now feel betrayed.

In addition, I can see Johnson Tory party running on a No Deal manifesto to head off Brexit Party and have Farage stand down declaring victory.

Puja

Puja wrote:

Mellsblue wrote:I think most Cons realise, and most candidates have said, that going to the country before sorting Brexit is a recipe for a Lab govt due to so much of the Con vote moving to BP. I’d imagine a GE will only be called if parliament force it.
I think most MPs realise, and most candidates have said, that a GE before Brexit is a recipe for a Lab govt. A govt headed by an all powerful (within the Lab party due to delivering a GE win and a new tranche of Corbynite MPs) Corbyn who hates the EU capitalist cabal and it’s imperialist allies*.
I suppose Putin would be happy. He’d be able to cash in a ‘buy one, get one free’ coupon on the referendum victory he’s alleged to have bought.

*I think I got the terminology right.

I believe it's "capitalist running dogs", but I take your point.

I'm not sure a GE before Brexit is necessarily a recipe for Labour. Corbyn has upset a lot of the Labour base with his equivocation and they'll lose votes to Lib Dem and Green all over the place, as well as just losing votes to people who came out for the first time in 2017 and now feel betrayed.

In addition, I can see Johnson Tory party running on a No Deal manifesto to head off Brexit Party and have Farage stand down declaring victory.

Puja

They won Peterborough, a barometer constituency, even with an anti-Semite/someone thick enough to comment on numerous FB posts without ‘reading them’. I’d agree that Johnson might run on a no deal platform. This along with deselections in both Lab and Con and you could end up with a Parliament with a decent chunk of MPs who actually hate the EU whilst, at present that demographic is a small minority.