COVID19

[Son of Mathonwy]

Mass testing looking to be a disastrous waste of time and money (unless you are a relative or friend or donor to the Tories):

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... id-testing

[Digby]

Two queries, why are the vaccines showing up so well in the higher age groups, and what would be the best plan for a global rollout for vaccine deployment even if we'll actually get individual nations scrambling to address their concerns first?

[morepork]

Two queries, why are the vaccines showing up so well in the higher age groups, and what would be the best plan for a global rollout for vaccine deployment even if we'll actually get individual nations scrambling to address their concerns first?

Wot do you mean showing up well old chap? Less of them dying?

[Stom]

Two queries, why are the vaccines showing up so well in the higher age groups, and what would be the best plan for a global rollout for vaccine deployment even if we'll actually get individual nations scrambling to address their concerns first?

Wot do you mean showing up well old chap? Less of them dying?

I think he’s talking about the low drop off in efficiency for older patients.

It does look promising.

[Son of Mathonwy]

Two queries, why are the vaccines showing up so well in the higher age groups, and what would be the best plan for a global rollout for vaccine deployment even if we'll actually get individual nations scrambling to address their concerns first?

In the UK that's the plan which makes most money for the Tories and their pals.

[Digby]

Two queries, why are the vaccines showing up so well in the higher age groups, and what would be the best plan for a global rollout for vaccine deployment even if we'll actually get individual nations scrambling to address their concerns first?

Wot do you mean showing up well old chap? Less of them dying?

I think he’s talking about the low drop off in efficiency for older patients.

It does look promising.

It does look good, which bar more Brexit voters might survive is a good thing. Just given it's a boost to reduced immune system it's seemingly a much bigger boost than expected

[morepork]

I wonder how long immunity lasts, and I assume by "efficacy" they mean immunity (seropositive + undetectable viral genomes) and not simply not dead yet.

[Donny osmond]

How does one get a substance that is minus 80 C into one's body without the temperature damaging your body cells? Is it as simple as warming it and using within a v small time frame?

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[morepork]

How does one get a substance that is minus 80 C into one's body without the temperature damaging your body cells? Is it as simple as warming it and using within a v small time frame?

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Yes you thaw it. Difficult to mainline an ice block. Once it’s thawed it cannot be re-frozen without damage. It is as simple as you suggest.

[Donny osmond]

How does one get a substance that is minus 80 C into one's body without the temperature damaging your body cells? Is it as simple as warming it and using within a v small time frame?

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Yes you thaw it. Difficult to mainline an ice block. Once it’s thawed it cannot be re-frozen without damage. It is as simple as you suggest.

Ta.

Mainlining ice is quite a concept. I once walked down Bay Street in Toronto in February without anything covering my face... I expect mainlining ice would be a similar experience.

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[morepork]

I’ve done the same in Montreal. Acute physical respiratory pain. Not for the faint of lung.

[Banquo]

How does one get a substance that is minus 80 C into one's body without the temperature damaging your body cells? Is it as simple as warming it and using within a v small time frame?

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yes, and its 5 days at 2-6 degrees C before its useless in the case of the Pfizer vaccine.

[morepork]

Preparations on the ground for scaling up production and FDA-approved storage and delivery devices are looking somewhat....amateur on this side of the pond. Looks as though a lot of money has been committed to some pretty shoddy contracts. I don't see any evidence of ramping up production of syringes, needles, vials (all that should have been tested and approved to not interact unpredictably with the drug). Multiple states are getting hammered with hospitals filling up fast and its heading for clusterfuck Round 2. All the while feckless cunts like the White House Press secretary are actively discrediting science and public health expertise with the tired, bullshit, immature "Muh Freedumb" narratives. All the pieces are in place to deal with this, but hiding the truth from the public (the CDC stopped providing hospital occupancy updates back in July) and keeping the baby in his safe space takes precedent. Utterly contemptible behaviour.

[Banquo]

In the UK the first plan had initial vaccinations in Care homes on the 3rd/4th dec. which means the second jabs on Xmas eve and Xmas day..... lol

Also part of the plan is GP s doing all the community work with 8-8 7 days a week. The amount of money- yes they are private entities- doesn’t cover their costs

[Which Tyler]

Just got off my weekly family Zoom. Not a happy one this week.



Sister had a "chat" with her MP a couple of days ago.

For background, Sis is 54, her immune system is essentially shot and she's been around 1/4 lung capacity since her late teens, and until her kids left home she'd typically spend 3-4 months of the year in hospital, with frequent trips to ICU. She hasn't left the house since February - during which she hasn't been in the same room as her husband.

Her husband is a dentist - front line health worker, and will be handing out vaccines once authorised.

Healthy 65 year olds are a higher priority for vaccine than people like Sis because "you're not leaving the house at the moment". Neither Sis nor Hubby are eligible for testing absent symptoms. MP signed off with "I take the train to London every week and have mild asthma, we're all in this together".







My brother works with a lady, 27F who's husband had a heart transplant 8-9 months ago, is on the strongest immune-suppressants going. Husband lost his business. They live in a small small 1-bed flat and simply cannot live separately.

She has to go to work and teach 150+ snotty-nosed kids every day. She cannot be furloughed, she cannot take paid time off work. School has allowed that they could arrange for her to have the entire academic year off - unpaid.

Low priority for vaccine and ineligible for testing absent symptoms.

She's late home after work every day as she needs to compose herself and confront her fear as to whether she's been exposed that day.

The headmaster spoke to their MP on her behalf. "Some people just have to suck it up".

[Sandydragon]

That’s tough WT.

I would personally prioritise working age high risk people. The only hope is that this utterly incompetent government can actually get something right and distribute the vaccine to everyone by Easter at the latest.

[Digby]

My brother works with a lady, 27F

Clearly a serious post around that which I've clipped out, but still I find myself wanting merely to note that's both unusually small and unusually large

[Digby]

Get in team Oxford/AZN, another great result. If perhaps with the slightly unexpected result that taking not the 2 doses but an initial half dose and then a 2nd full dose provides better immunity (they're still looking into whether that's really a thing and would replicate at scale)

And even with the 70% effective, which we'd still have snapped your arm off for 60 days ago, those getting infected weren't showing up with the same rate of illness and even death as those not immunised so it is good news. Especially when this one is cheaper and easier to store/transport

[Stom]

That’s tough WT.

I would personally prioritise working age high risk people. The only hope is that this utterly incompetent government can actually get something right and distribute the vaccine to everyone by Easter at the latest.

yeah, good luck with that...They've only ordered a pitifully small amount, and cannot get any more because they didn't sign up to the EU's vaccine plan...

Imbeciles putting people's health at risk.

Meanwhile, here, Hungary will be the only country to get Russia's vaccine. Whoop. So probably that means novichock for everyone!

[Digby]

That’s tough WT.

I would personally prioritise working age high risk people. The only hope is that this utterly incompetent government can actually get something right and distribute the vaccine to everyone by Easter at the latest.

yeah, good luck with that...They've only ordered a pitifully small amount, and cannot get any more because they didn't sign up to the EU's vaccine plan...

Imbeciles putting people's health at risk.

Meanwhile, here, Hungary will be the only country to get Russia's vaccine. Whoop. So probably that means novichock for everyone!

Which vaccine is being talked about? We've ordered varying amounts of the different vaccines. For the Oxford/AZN one we've a huge order in, and that should the one of the easier ones to distribute, and it'll go further still if the initial half dose proves the way to go.

Overall all governments are acting their country first which is an odd way to go about resolving a global pandemic, as ever all news is local.

[Mellsblue]

That’s tough WT.

I would personally prioritise working age high risk people. The only hope is that this utterly incompetent government can actually get something right and distribute the vaccine to everyone by Easter at the latest.

yeah, good luck with that...They've only ordered a pitifully small amount, and cannot get any more because they didn't sign up to the EU's vaccine plan...

Imbeciles putting people's health at risk.

Meanwhile, here, Hungary will be the only country to get Russia's vaccine. Whoop. So probably that means novichock for everyone!

Which vaccine is being talked about? We've ordered varying amounts of the different vaccines. For the Oxford/AZN one we've a huge order in, and that should the one of the easier ones to distribute, and it'll go further still if the initial half dose proves the way to go.

Overall all governments are acting their country first which is an odd way to go about resolving a global pandemic, as ever all news is local.

I guess he’s talking about Moderna and has swallowed the lies going around social media that the EU had pre-ordered a trillion doses. Though, he might not be talking about moderna as that won’t be ready to roll out until spring at the earliest, and therefore can’t be the one Sandy is referring to, in which case I’ve no idea which one he’s talking about.

As for a global response it’s not all bad news and U.K. is leading the way with funding:

https://www.who.int/docs/default-source ... nload=true

In other vaccine news, China are rolling out their vaccination whilst it’s still in phase II.....

[Digby]

The global response is weak, because apart from anything else the global response would seem the best way to protect us, but because they answer to us the global response is the afterthought (and not just from us but from everyone)

That's hardly new, global responses are nearly always weak

[Stom]

yeah, good luck with that...They've only ordered a pitifully small amount, and cannot get any more because they didn't sign up to the EU's vaccine plan...

Imbeciles putting people's health at risk.

Meanwhile, here, Hungary will be the only country to get Russia's vaccine. Whoop. So probably that means novichock for everyone!

Which vaccine is being talked about? We've ordered varying amounts of the different vaccines. For the Oxford/AZN one we've a huge order in, and that should the one of the easier ones to distribute, and it'll go further still if the initial half dose proves the way to go.

Overall all governments are acting their country first which is an odd way to go about resolving a global pandemic, as ever all news is local.

I guess he’s talking about Moderna and has swallowed the lies going around social media that the EU had pre-ordered a trillion doses. Though, he might not be talking about moderna as that won’t be ready to roll out until spring at the earliest, and therefore can’t be the one Sandy is referring to, in which case I’ve no idea which one he’s talking about.

As for a global response it’s not all bad news and U.K. is leading the way with funding:

https://www.who.int/docs/default-source ... nload=true

In other vaccine news, China are rolling out their vaccination whilst it’s still in phase II.....

As I understood, only the Pfizer vaccine is likely to be available in the short-medium term. So that's what I was talking about, sorry. As I also understood, the UK ordered a couple of million doses, not even enough for all the at risk people, while other EU countries had ordered more in the tens of millions.

Except Hungary, which will be using vodka and novichok.

[Mellsblue]

Which vaccine is being talked about? We've ordered varying amounts of the different vaccines. For the Oxford/AZN one we've a huge order in, and that should the one of the easier ones to distribute, and it'll go further still if the initial half dose proves the way to go.

Overall all governments are acting their country first which is an odd way to go about resolving a global pandemic, as ever all news is local.

I guess he’s talking about Moderna and has swallowed the lies going around social media that the EU had pre-ordered a trillion doses. Though, he might not be talking about moderna as that won’t be ready to roll out until spring at the earliest, and therefore can’t be the one Sandy is referring to, in which case I’ve no idea which one he’s talking about.

As for a global response it’s not all bad news and U.K. is leading the way with funding:

https://www.who.int/docs/default-source ... nload=true

In other vaccine news, China are rolling out their vaccination whilst it’s still in phase II.....

As I understood, only the Pfizer vaccine is likely to be available in the short-medium term. So that's what I was talking about, sorry. As I also understood, the UK ordered a couple of million doses, not even enough for all the at risk people, while other EU countries had ordered more in the tens of millions.

Except Hungary, which will be using vodka and novichok.

I think the U.K. has enough Pfizer for 20m people.....

[Which Tyler]

As I understood, only the Pfizer vaccine is likely to be available in the short-medium term. So that's what I was talking about, sorry. As I also understood, the UK ordered a couple of million doses, not even enough for all the at risk people, while other EU countries had ordered more in the tens of millions.

Except Hungary, which will be using vodka and novichok.

My understanding is that the AstraZeneca is the easiest to produce. Certainly the easiest to distribute.
We've ordered 100M of the AstraZeneca, 40M of Pfizer, and 4-5M Moderna.
About 70M doses of other potential vaccines.

We've already got 4M doses of AstraZeneca already in storage, just waiting to be signed-off - which is probably where that confusion comes from.
We have 0 doses of Pfizer or Moderna in hand, as they're prioritising the US market before starting export.