COVID19

[Donny osmond]

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[Galfon]

Getting Covid test after showing symptoms = definitely alright.
Visting Gym & Beauty salon on day of test = ?? ..

[Digby]

Virus to be gone by Christmas, perhaps some slim chance it'll carry on until next year. Which sounds like utter bollocks, but now as per Boris is the lates position of HMG's on the disease. Some chance that position will change later today or tomorrow

[Which Tyler]

Virus to be gone by Christmas, perhaps some slim chance it'll carry on until next year. Which sounds like utter bollocks, but now as per Boris is the lates position of HMG's on the disease. Some chance that position will change later today or tomorrow

Wait, what?

[Digby]

Virus to be gone by Christmas, perhaps some slim chance it'll carry on until next year. Which sounds like utter bollocks, but now as per Boris is the lates position of HMG's on the disease. Some chance that position will change later today or tomorrow

Wait, what?

Boris is in charge, that is good, thus everything is good. All praise be to Boris.

"I tell you in all candour, it will continue to be bumpy through to Christmas and may even be bumpy beyond."

[Son of Mathonwy]

Virus to be gone by Christmas, perhaps some slim chance it'll carry on until next year. Which sounds like utter bollocks, but now as per Boris is the lates position of HMG's on the disease. Some chance that position will change later today or tomorrow

Wait, what?

Boris is in charge, that is good, thus everything is good. All praise be to Boris.

"I tell you in all candour, it will continue to be bumpy through to Christmas and may even be bumpy beyond."

"Bumpy". That's like his description of global warming as a tea-cosy, swaddling the planet. The twat.

I'm particularly enjoying this one:
"What we want people to do is behave fearlessly but with common sense"

[Digby]

Wait, what?

Boris is in charge, that is good, thus everything is good. All praise be to Boris.

"I tell you in all candour, it will continue to be bumpy through to Christmas and may even be bumpy beyond."

"Bumpy". That's like his description of global warming as a tea-cosy, swaddling the planet. The twat.

I'm particularly enjoying this one:
"What we want people to do is behave fearlessly but with common sense"

And bumpy is a long way into the sentence to start taking issue with the sentence. Of course it might be he simply doesn't know the word candour. Or it might be government message is intentionally about lying to us with a series of short term updates that too often make little to no sense in isolation or taken as a whole.

[Son of Mathonwy]

Boris is in charge, that is good, thus everything is good. All praise be to Boris.

"I tell you in all candour, it will continue to be bumpy through to Christmas and may even be bumpy beyond."

"Bumpy". That's like his description of global warming as a tea-cosy, swaddling the planet. The twat.

I'm particularly enjoying this one:
"What we want people to do is behave fearlessly but with common sense"

And bumpy is a long way into the sentence to start taking issue with the sentence. Of course it might be he simply doesn't know the word candour. Or it might be government message is intentionally about lying to us with a series of short term updates that too often make little to no sense in isolation or taken as a whole.

Yes, he may be familiar with the phrase "in all candour" - just part of his rhetorical toolkit - if not so clear about its meaning; but hey ho, meanings are for lawyers and girly swots.

[Digby]

Boom. Alec Guinness had to pop into the health department earlier to tell them the numbers they were looking at were not the numbers they'd been looking for.

It's not really good enough to call this an IT glitch, for something like this to cock up you need a bad understanding of what you're requesting of your IT service and/or a bad understanding of what you've received/tested from your IT service. Utterly inept barely does it justice.

[Sandydragon]

Boom. Alec Guinness had to pop into the health department earlier to tell them the numbers they were looking at were not the numbers they'd been looking for.

It's not really good enough to call this an IT glitch, for something like this to cock up you need a bad understanding of what you're requesting of your IT service and/or a bad understanding of what you've received/tested from your IT service. Utterly inept barely does it justice.

Well, its not like its been rushed through without due consideration or anything like that is it?

[fivepointer]

Apparently the excel s/sheet couldnt cope with the extra numbers. IT glitch.....

This is such basic stuff. For crissake can we stop with the amateur hour farting about. We're an embarrassment.

[Digby]

Boom. Alec Guinness had to pop into the health department earlier to tell them the numbers they were looking at were not the numbers they'd been looking for.

It's not really good enough to call this an IT glitch, for something like this to cock up you need a bad understanding of what you're requesting of your IT service and/or a bad understanding of what you've received/tested from your IT service. Utterly inept barely does it justice.

Well, its not like its been rushed through without due consideration or anything like that is it?

It cannot possibly have had due consideration, and that's not just on the IT girls and boys

[Digby]

Apparently the excel s/sheet couldnt cope with the extra numbers. IT glitch.....

This is such basic stuff. For crissake can we stop with the amateur hour farting about. We're an embarrassment.

I can't believe that's the case, if for no other reason than why use excel to begin with. But whatever they've done fails at some utterly ridiculous basic level, both in the initial failure and the failure to identify the failure instantly

[Sandydragon]

Apparently the excel s/sheet couldnt cope with the extra numbers. IT glitch.....

This is such basic stuff. For crissake can we stop with the amateur hour farting about. We're an embarrassment.

Unfortunately, this is how government IT works. A minister wants something by tomorrow and the IT people try to fulfil it within that time scale. Arguments like, we need a month to scope the solution and make sure it meets the business requirement, whilst being sufficiently secure and represents the best value for money for the tax payer just get ignored. It is a crisis so lots of corners are being cut, but equally this isn't that abnormal.

[Digby]

Apparently the excel s/sheet couldnt cope with the extra numbers. IT glitch.....

This is such basic stuff. For crissake can we stop with the amateur hour farting about. We're an embarrassment.

Unfortunately, this is how government IT works. A minister wants something by tomorrow and the IT people try to fulfil it within that time scale. Arguments like, we need a month to scope the solution and make sure it meets the business requirement, whilst being sufficiently secure and represents the best value for money for the tax payer just get ignored. It is a crisis so lots of corners are being cut, but equally this isn't that abnormal.

Then the minister is signing off on receiving a system that doesn't work, and that's on them.

If you poorly set out what you want to an IT department, don't test what they supply you, possibly don't even understand what they're supplying you that's not the fault of the IT staff. Though in this one suspects they've employed lots of nice but dim Tims across the board

[Sandydragon]

Apparently the excel s/sheet couldnt cope with the extra numbers. IT glitch.....

This is such basic stuff. For crissake can we stop with the amateur hour farting about. We're an embarrassment.

Unfortunately, this is how government IT works. A minister wants something by tomorrow and the IT people try to fulfil it within that time scale. Arguments like, we need a month to scope the solution and make sure it meets the business requirement, whilst being sufficiently secure and represents the best value for money for the tax payer just get ignored. It is a crisis so lots of corners are being cut, but equally this isn't that abnormal.

Then the minister is signing off on receiving a system that doesn't work, and that's on them.

If you poorly set out what you want to an IT department, don't test what they supply you, possibly don't even understand what they're supplying you that's not the fault of the IT staff. Though in this one suspects they've employed lots of nice but dim Tims across the board

Er no, they just blame the Civil Servants.

[Digby]

Unfortunately, this is how government IT works. A minister wants something by tomorrow and the IT people try to fulfil it within that time scale. Arguments like, we need a month to scope the solution and make sure it meets the business requirement, whilst being sufficiently secure and represents the best value for money for the tax payer just get ignored. It is a crisis so lots of corners are being cut, but equally this isn't that abnormal.

Then the minister is signing off on receiving a system that doesn't work, and that's on them.

If you poorly set out what you want to an IT department, don't test what they supply you, possibly don't even understand what they're supplying you that's not the fault of the IT staff. Though in this one suspects they've employed lots of nice but dim Tims across the board

Er no, they just blame the Civil Servants.

Indeed, appalling management though to claim you own/direct a process and then pushback on accepting blame

Still this is a culture in which following the success of eat out to help out in pushing the R number that Boris just a shorwthile ago encouraged people to go to the cinema

If the government has a map they're following through this process it's a Jackson Pollock designed map

[morepork]

Your fate lies in the hands of excel. Classic. Was the abacus broken or something?

[Sandydragon]

Your fate lies in the hands of excel. Classic. Was the abacus broken or something?

We don't waste tax payers money on any more modern.

Seriously, government IT is not a happy place on the whole.

[Digby]

I simply don't believe excel is the best database the government has licensed for this job. They might well not have the ideal DB, but you'd expect better decisions being made than this if back in the day you dragged a drunken arts student out of a pub and sat them in front of a computer for the first time.

And if they are going to use excel how in the blazes are there no basic checks to ensure data is not being lost? This isn't a government guided by science, this is a government guided by sciolism

[morepork]

Excel. Fuck my arse. I can't get my head around that.

[Sandydragon]

I simply don't believe excel is the best database the government has licensed for this job. They might well not have the ideal DB, but you'd expect better decisions being made than this if back in the day you dragged a drunken arts student out of a pub and sat them in front of a computer for the first time.

And if they are going to use excel how in the blazes are there no basic checks to ensure data is not being lost? This isn't a government guided by science, this is a government guided by sciolism

Assuming excel has actually been used, or is just a reporting tool and not the main db. It wouldn’t surprise me if there was nothing off the shelf available and they went with that which was available. This may be a red herring but having seen how many front line IT services are thrown together if not be surprised if it were based on excel.

[morepork]

The database should be amenable to modeling. Excel is not amenable to modeling. Assuming you are collating raw data from multiple sources, there should be daily reports that give changes, outbreaks, age, gender, ethnicity, etc etc. What I'm seeing here is that Excel was the main database and that it ran out of room. Excel just can't handle this shit. The WHO and the CDC have online teaching epidemiology software packages tools that are superior to Excel, just for starters.

[Son of Mathonwy]

Jesus. Excel is fine if you need something quickly, or you need a lot of flexibility, but you need to have checks for god's sake.

And that's not an IT glitch, that's user error.

[Sandydragon]

Actually it was more of an IT glitch as apparently they were using an old version of Excel.

Well I say IT but in reality it wouldn’t surprise me if someone who knows a bit more than the average Joe about excel did something ad hoc.

There is no way this passed through any basic assurance process pre-use.