RugbyRebels

morepork wrote:

Mellsblue wrote:It seems I have failed to ingratiate myself

Your credibility has rather been shredded.

I’m just grateful you responded.

Mellsblue wrote:

morepork wrote:

Mellsblue wrote:It seems I have failed to ingratiate myself

Your credibility has rather been shredded.

I’m just grateful you responded.

Just giving you a little cheddar baby.

Galfon wrote: Deaths/1m population (Worldo..13 Aug )
1. San M 1238
2. Bel 854
3. And 686
4. Per 657
5. Spa 611
6. Uk 608
7. Ita 583
8. Swe 571
9. Chil 533
10. USA 511
11. Bra 490
12. Fra 465

(Ger 111)

Latest - Bolivia, Equ, make entry into Top12, Fra & Swe drop out. USA leapfrogs UK following steady numbers.

1. San Marino 1237
2. Peru 952
3. Belgium 858
4. Andorra 686
5. Spain 661
6. Bolivia 654
7. Brazil 649
8. Chile 643
9. Equador 628
10. USA 620
11. UK 615
12. Ita 591

( Others: Ger 113, Fra 481, Mex 570,
Swe 580 )

Galfon wrote:

Galfon wrote: Deaths/1m population (Worldo..13 Aug )
1. San M 1238
2. Bel 854
3. And 686
4. Per 657
5. Spa 611
6. Uk 608
7. Ita 583
8. Swe 571
9. Chil 533
10. USA 511
11. Bra 490
12. Fra 465

(Ger 111)

Latest - Bolivia, Equ, make entry into Top12, Fra & Swe drop out. USA leapfrogs UK following steady numbers.

1. San Marino 1237
2. Peru 952
3. Belgium 858
4. Andorra 686
5. Spain 661
6. Bolivia 654
7. Brazil 649
8. Chile 643
9. Equador 628
10. USA 620
11. UK 615
12. Ita 591

( Others: Ger 113, Fra 481, Mex 570,
Swe 580 )

Not that I trust many of the numbers being reported, but Sweden’s pattern is just too odd to be believed tbh.

Amazing how much the media focus on Sweden as being an alternative success story, and ignore Germany which has far more in common with us.

They still feel guilty about ABBA and Ace of Base and are trying to keep a low profile.

Sandydragon wrote:Amazing how much the media focus on Sweden as being an alternative success story, and ignore Germany which has far more in common with us.

Sweden is always the model. Their politics has very good pr.

We copied their schools, this, were constantly look to their prison system, daycare, and so on.

Problem is... it’s all actually shit.

Stom wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:Amazing how much the media focus on Sweden as being an alternative success story, and ignore Germany which has far more in common with us.

Sweden is always the model. Their politics has very good pr.

We copied their schools, this, were constantly look to their prison system, daycare, and so on.

Problem is... it’s all actually shit.

Shit for us to try and ape maybe with our tax revenues, perhaps there's something in their services being better because they spend so much more on them

Digby wrote:

Stom wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:Amazing how much the media focus on Sweden as being an alternative success story, and ignore Germany which has far more in common with us.

Sweden is always the model. Their politics has very good pr.

We copied their schools, this, were constantly look to their prison system, daycare, and so on.

Problem is... it’s all actually shit.

Shit for us to try and ape maybe with our tax revenues, perhaps there's something in their services being better because they spend so much more on them

Their services are not better (healthcare aside...OK, and their penal system is better, too).

If you want to ape any Scandinavian system, you have to transplant their sociological problems onto our society...and I don't think we'd get a result that looks anything other than disaster.

For one thing...binge drinking is bad enough in the UK. Can you imagine with the Swedish alcohol laws? Jeez.

If pubs were open all night, you'd see binge drinking drastically reduced within a generation.

I'd swap their problems for ours, and happily.

Covid-19 aside, Sweden looks like a nice place to live, they're 7th in the World Happiness report:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Happiness_Report

Although they're behind all the other Scandinavian countries, they must be doing quite a few things right.

As with all these things, we should be guided by the evidence, not by anecdote or prior opinion.

A different metric (worldpop.revw)..
Suicide rates/100k, 2020

Belgium 20.7

Hungary 19.1
France 17.7
Poland 16.2
Austria 15.6
Sweden 14.8
Germany 13.6
Netherlands 12.6
Norway 12.2
Ireland 11.5

U.K. 8.8
Spain 8.7
Italy 8.2

Sweden have improved in this regard also over recent decades.
Russia & Baltic states are above Belgium.

Looks like active mingling gives some peace of mind, as well as risks.

Son of Mathonwy wrote:Covid-19 aside, Sweden looks like a nice place to live, they're 7th in the World Happiness report:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Happiness_Report

Although they're behind all the other Scandinavian countries, they must be doing quite a few things right.

As with all these things, we should be guided by the evidence, not by anecdote or prior opinion.

This report is not a true indicator of happiness. You shouldn’t take that as science, it’s far from scientific. In fact, it’s nonsensical pseudo science.

Stom wrote:

Son of Mathonwy wrote:Covid-19 aside, Sweden looks like a nice place to live, they're 7th in the World Happiness report:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Happiness_Report

Although they're behind all the other Scandinavian countries, they must be doing quite a few things right.

As with all these things, we should be guided by the evidence, not by anecdote or prior opinion.

This report is not a true indicator of happiness. You shouldn’t take that as science, it’s far from scientific. In fact, it’s nonsensical pseudo science.

Agreed, I'm not taking it as a true indicator of happiness (what is?). But I'm taking it to be an indicator of a high level of desirable characteristics ie

Each variable measured reveals a populated-weighted average score on a scale running from 0 to 10 that is tracked over time and compared against other countries. These variables currently include: real GDP per capita, social support, healthy life expectancy, freedom to make life choices, generosity, and perceptions of corruption

My point is that Sweden is doing quite a lot of things right as a country (even if it is handling Covid-19 particularly badly). It is doing these things worse than its Nordic neighbours, however.

I once went to Sweden and met some nice people and drank some very expensive beer. Bugger the other metrics, I’d happily live there.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus- ... t-12082178

Its true.

I dunno, but didnt anyone think about this during the development stage?

World beating my arse. We're a laughing stock with this amateur hour stuff.

Police and protesters injured during a rally calling for death to spread under the banner of freedom. Outstanding work from the protesters coming so soon on the death of a Met Officer during the line of service, one can only hope all the protesters suffer huge strokes on the way home and cease their waste of oxygen

An article about Sweden and the UK government’s libertarian love in, without understanding the fundamentals.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... SApp_Other

No one has I suspect ever argued the Guardian understands fundamentals

Italy have followed fundamentals, apart from being slower to come out of lockdown:

"But for now the figures look promising. And that simple formula - tests, rules, compliance - will, this country hopes, halt a second wave and ease the legacy of pain from the first. "
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-54356335

Really expected a similar sort of national response here after the Spring onslaught, but there appears to be a mass memory lapse, or hubris, abound that spells danger.

Italy has a later return to school. So they might just be behind us on the curve, albeit perhaps now having in mind what happened to them and what's happened to us.

Good news in the UK that the R rate is heading back down, but seeing as it's probably still above 1 it's hardly cause for celebration

Agent Cummings and Goings obviously set a high bar for just how badly you could screw up and expect to keep your job, but for now at least he's been usurped by Margaret Ferrier in an outstandingly brazen refusal to stand down. To travel with symptoms was bad enough, to travel with symptoms to group with others worse, and I don't really know what to say about travelling on a train once you know you've got a positive result.

If only she’d employed a driver to ferry ‘er around.

That's only allowed if you have a blind driver