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Posted: **Thu Apr 11, 2019 10:00 am**

Mellsblue wrote:
Banquo wrote:
Lizard wrote:6 more months of this to go!
Up to.
Love the optimism.

Decades of this to go in truth

Posted: **Thu Apr 11, 2019 10:03 am**

Mellsblue wrote:
Which Tyler wrote: May insists we can leave without hosting European elections, up until May 31st, a full week after those elections are due to take place...
Everything I’ve read agrees with her. For all elections, those who win the ballot don’t immediately take their seat. There is always a delay until the new parliament/council is formed. I’m guessing for the EU that delay is a week.

If people want vote no deal they should vote for Farage’s Brexit Party. They are polling above UKIP and neck and neck with the Lib Dems (Westminster voting intentions).

I think we have to host elections or constitutionally the EU needs to change the number of seats being voted on in other nations, if we then fail to fill those seats as we've left in the intervening period we've still met the requirements of the constitution.

Posted: **Thu Apr 11, 2019 11:16 am**

Digby wrote:
Mellsblue wrote:
Which Tyler wrote: May insists we can leave without hosting European elections, up until May 31st, a full week after those elections are due to take place...
Everything I’ve read agrees with her. For all elections, those who win the ballot don’t immediately take their seat. There is always a delay until the new parliament/council is formed. I’m guessing for the EU that delay is a week.

If people want vote no deal they should vote for Farage’s Brexit Party. They are polling above UKIP and neck and neck with the Lib Dems (Westminster voting intentions).
I think we have to host elections or constitutionally the EU needs to change the number of seats being voted on in other nations, if we then fail to fill those seats as we've left in the intervening period we've still met the requirements of the constitution.

Yep. Point was we can still leave at that point without having the elections. Constitutionally the the new parliament doesn’t form until that date, not the date of the election.

Posted: **Thu Apr 11, 2019 11:19 am**

Mellsblue wrote:
Digby wrote:
Mellsblue wrote: Everything I’ve read agrees with her. For all elections, those who win the ballot don’t immediately take their seat. There is always a delay until the new parliament/council is formed. I’m guessing for the EU that delay is a week.

If people want vote no deal they should vote for Farage’s Brexit Party. They are polling above UKIP and neck and neck with the Lib Dems (Westminster voting intentions).
I think we have to host elections or constitutionally the EU needs to change the number of seats being voted on in other nations, if we then fail to fill those seats as we've left in the intervening period we've still met the requirements of the constitution.
Yep. Point was we can still leave at that point without having the elections. Constitutionally the the new parliament doesn’t form until that date, not the date of the election.

Constitutionally when does one need to confirm one will be holding elections though? Surely it's some way in advance of the actual date of election?

Almost certainly this is poorly written in the constitution as nobody envisaged the scenario and we could well find both grey areas and contradictory areas

Posted: **Thu Apr 11, 2019 11:39 am**

Digby wrote:
Mellsblue wrote:
Digby wrote:
I think we have to host elections or constitutionally the EU needs to change the number of seats being voted on in other nations, if we then fail to fill those seats as we've left in the intervening period we've still met the requirements of the constitution.
Yep. Point was we can still leave at that point without having the elections. Constitutionally the the new parliament doesn’t form until that date, not the date of the election.
Constitutionally when does one need to confirm one will be holding elections though? Surely it's some way in advance of the actual date of election?

Almost certainly this is poorly written in the constitution as nobody envisaged the scenario and we could well find both grey areas and contradictory areas

No idea of cut off point for us to say “we’re off by x so no need for us to take part in elections”.

Posted: **Thu Apr 11, 2019 11:49 am**

Mellsblue wrote:
Digby wrote:
Mellsblue wrote: Yep. Point was we can still leave at that point without having the elections. Constitutionally the the new parliament doesn’t form until that date, not the date of the election.
Constitutionally when does one need to confirm one will be holding elections though? Surely it's some way in advance of the actual date of election?

Almost certainly this is poorly written in the constitution as nobody envisaged the scenario and we could well find both grey areas and contradictory areas
No idea of cut off point for us to say “we’re off by x so no need for us to take part in elections”.

Whenever it is it's going to be well ahead of the date in May that May is working towards. How the government isn't ready with advice from constitutional lawyers on this I don't know, both in terms of their communication with EU partners and domestic electorate

At times our cabinet seems akin to Trump making their plans with no attention being paid to what's legally permissible

Posted: **Thu Apr 11, 2019 12:24 pm**

Digby wrote:
Mellsblue wrote:
Digby wrote:
Constitutionally when does one need to confirm one will be holding elections though? Surely it's some way in advance of the actual date of election?

Almost certainly this is poorly written in the constitution as nobody envisaged the scenario and we could well find both grey areas and contradictory areas
No idea of cut off point for us to say “we’re off by x so no need for us to take part in elections”.
Whenever it is it's going to be well ahead of the date in May that May is working towards. How the government isn't ready with advice from constitutional lawyers on this I don't know, both in terms of their communication with EU partners and domestic electorate

At times our cabinet seems akin to Trump making their plans with no attention being paid to what's legally permissible

I’m sure those who need to know do know (I hope). I doubt they’re leaving it to the RR politics board to organise. Tbh, the idea that we will be leaving then is for the birds.

Posted: **Thu Apr 11, 2019 12:59 pm**

Digby wrote:
Mellsblue wrote:
Banquo wrote: Up to.
Love the optimism.
Decades of this to go in truth

Fair point.

Posted: **Thu Apr 11, 2019 2:44 pm**

Mellsblue wrote:
Digby wrote:
Mellsblue wrote: No idea of cut off point for us to say “we’re off by x so no need for us to take part in elections”.
Whenever it is it's going to be well ahead of the date in May that May is working towards. How the government isn't ready with advice from constitutional lawyers on this I don't know, both in terms of their communication with EU partners and domestic electorate

At times our cabinet seems akin to Trump making their plans with no attention being paid to what's legally permissible
I’m sure those who need to know do know (I hope). I doubt they’re leaving it to the RR politics board to organise. Tbh, the idea that we will be leaving then is for the birds.

I'm happy to back a leave decision for a large enough bribe. It's weird back on point though, I suspect we've all given up on MPs reading and understanding the subject, but that the cabinet and even PM seem surprised to be confronted by reality is rather alarming even if a little amusing

Posted: **Thu Apr 11, 2019 2:45 pm**

Banquo wrote:
Digby wrote:
Mellsblue wrote: Love the optimism.
Decades of this to go in truth
Fair point.

I might be up to 16 of them now, and in only 8000 or so posts

Posted: **Thu Apr 11, 2019 2:51 pm**

Mark Francois has just criticised May by saying, "Perseverance is a virtue, but sheer obstinacy is not."

The sheer lack of self-awareness is just astounding.

Puja

Posted: **Thu Apr 11, 2019 3:44 pm**

Puja wrote:Mark Francois has just criticised May by saying, "Perseverance is a virtue, but sheer obstinacy is not."

The sheer lack of self-awareness is just astounding.

Puja

He's a turd

Posted: **Thu Apr 11, 2019 3:49 pm**

Banquo wrote:
Puja wrote:Mark Francois has just criticised May by saying, "Perseverance is a virtue, but sheer obstinacy is not."

The sheer lack of self-awareness is just astounding.

Puja
He's a turd

Yep.

Posted: **Fri Apr 12, 2019 12:07 pm**

Brexit Party officially launched today. Rees-Mogg’s sister is/will be a candidate for the EU elections. Just had a chat with someone close to things and they think Mark Francois will defect at the first opportunity. Fingers crossed.

Posted: **Fri Apr 12, 2019 12:16 pm**

Mellsblue wrote:Brexit Party officially launched today. Rees-Mogg’s sister is/will be a candidate for the EU elections. Just had a chat with someone close to things and they think Mark Francois will defect at the first opportunity. Fingers crossed.

Francois will certainly defecate on them even if not intentionally

Posted: **Fri Apr 12, 2019 5:50 pm**

The Brexit party?

Jesus christ.....

Posted: **Sat Apr 13, 2019 6:44 am**

morepork wrote:The Brexit party?

Jesus christ.....

Life of Brian springs to mind, splitters!

Posted: **Sat Apr 13, 2019 6:51 am**

Digby wrote:
Mellsblue wrote:Brexit Party officially launched today. Rees-Mogg’s sister is/will be a candidate for the EU elections. Just had a chat with someone close to things and they think Mark Francois will defect at the first opportunity. Fingers crossed.
Francois will certainly defecate on them even if not intentionally

The more that idiot is on TV the greater the chance of no Brexit. There’s a damn good reason why the leave campaign kept the likes of him hidden.

Posted: **Sat Apr 13, 2019 7:15 am**

Sandydragon wrote:
morepork wrote:The Brexit party?

Jesus christ.....
Life of Brian springs to mind, splitters!

Their policies including stoning anyone from Judea who wishes to move to the UK

Posted: **Sat Apr 13, 2019 11:29 am**

Puja wrote:Read this today and thought it a well-written article from a Leave-voter's perspective: https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/opende ... ink-again/

Very sensible.

But most of this - other than the Good Friday Agreement issues - was highly predicable at the time of the referendum. Why wasn't it to Oborne?

Posted: **Sun Apr 14, 2019 7:02 am**

A further delay now until 31 October, earlier if a WA has been ratified by MPs.
UK will need to take part in the Euro elections on 23 May, but if not would have to leave the EU on 1 June with No deal.
Can't see either of these early exit scenarios being allowed to happen by MP's - the Can has been kicked along so many times now it looks more like a Can't.

Posted: **Sun Apr 14, 2019 8:29 pm**

That flowchart is missing a branch. It assumes (following the “yes” - “pass” path, that the EU will agree a renegotiated deal.

Posted: **Wed Apr 17, 2019 4:53 pm**

Posted: **Thu Apr 18, 2019 8:39 am**

Mellsblue wrote:

ffs.

Oddly, that's 71% favouring parties whose policy is leaving the EU.

Posted: **Thu Apr 18, 2019 8:51 am**

Banquo wrote:
Mellsblue wrote:
ffs.

Oddly, that's 71% favouring parties whose policy is leaving the EU.

Although I suspect a reasonable portion of the 37% going for Labour or Conservatives is identity politics, rather than anything to do with their policies.

Puja

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