Northampton vs BB

[Adam_P]

Don't rejoin the wedding - those updates help me make sense of what's happening in the distance

[Epaminondas Pules]

The officiating in both finals has been seriously poor. This is not good enough!

[Adam_P]

We've been reffed out of this. I thought this guy was good but he's been embarrassing

[paddy no 11]

I'm live, but fuck me there some shit reffing here. That was not offside for Saints try from the kick through. And it was not a knock on for BB try from the scrum

He was offside.......clearly

[paddy no 11]

Hard luck Northampton, a few marginal decisions didn't go yer way

Furbank getting sparked was a disaster, coles been super

[Adam_P]

Reffed out of that. Bullshit

[Oakboy]

Sad to have missed the game ( driving to Inverness) and disappointed by the result.

[paddy no 11]

Reffed out of that. Bullshit

Yeah, the bordeaux 15 makes a half assed attempt to vault furbank he should have done better, was reckless in the end should have been a card

The head contact that wasn't reviewed was a card and the deliberate knock on was a yellow

It was equally bad last night against the frenchies

[astralweeks]

Begrudgingly I suppose you would say that BB were the worthy winners. Saints made a lot of handling errors and bordeaux kicking was a lot more challenging. It's not good when you lose 2 players in the first 5 minutes, and then another two 40 minutes later.

[astralweeks]

I'm a tad worried that Pollock is turning into a bit of a dick. I can just about tolerate it when he plays for saints, england or the lions but heavens forbid he should sign for sarries and he would then instantly turn into public enemy no1

[Mikey Brown]

Jesus. Just seen Buros trying to hurdle Furbank. What a fucking moron.

[Beasties]

Crazy game. Glad Saints turned up and gave it their all. Almost good enough but not quite.
Some reffing errors but TMO gave a lot of corrections, er, mostly.
Those little chips over the top by BB seem such an obvious tactic but not often done.

[Cameo]

Almost a really fun game - think Jalibert and those two wingers might be my favourite players - but just too stop start for that. Some refereeing mistakes but thought it was a hard game to ref, lot's of little things that were tricky to spot in real time (though a couple of worse ones).

One of those games that kind of makes you wish for a world without TMO's to get rid of the interruptions, but also without replays so we didn't all spend the match annoyed at things that were missed.

[Danno]

Jesus. Just seen Buros trying to hurdle Furbank. What a fucking moron.

I'm still fuming about that. It wasn't deliberate but it was reckless all day long

[FKAS]

Didn't watch it live, had 50ish mins on the radio in the car, saw the end and then watched the highlights this morning.

Both high tackle yellows should have been red. Neither Diaby or Prowse make any real effort to tackle legally, both have force and there's no mitigation for either.

The Buros on Furbank is weird because running over Furbank doesn't take him to where the ball is bouncing away too. He looks to have completely misjudged it and isn't altering his course particularly well. Still don't think it's deliberate nor reckless as Furbank sitting up right into his knee is not something you can predict. Hopefully Furbank is ok.

Saints needed to be clinical but coughed up the ball and made poor defensive reads for most of the UBB tries. Jalibert stepping half the pack and then finding a player unmarked on the wing because the Saints forwards have all switched off is criminal in a European final. Pollock overrunning the kick through and Coles pulling back at the lineout didn't help things as both were probably scoreable had the Saints player just got their execution right anyway.

Unlucky for Saints, possibly with some of the injured available for this the bench would have had more second half impact and that could have turned it.

[Which Tyler]

Jesus. Just seen Buros trying to hurdle Furbank. What a fucking moron.

I'm still fuming about that. It wasn't deliberate but it was reckless all day long

By whom?

For me (watching in snippets, with 4 of us around a tablet whilst distracted):
Furbank was on the ground and out of the game - it's his job to stay there and be predictable, not essentially tackle the man in the air, with his face.
Buros is well within his rights to take a straight line to the ball, and well within his rights to hurdle the player on the ground - though he could/should have jumped higher.
Furbank obviously didn't know Buros was coming; and started getting up at exactly the wrong time.

For me it's a rugby incident - play on (restart with scrum to blue) OR it's reckless play by both sides, yellow card to both Furbank and Buros, (restart with a penalty to blue).


Really hope Furbank is okay after the collision

[fivepointer]

Yep, an unfortunate collision.

Looking at the highlights it seems both sides could have had a player red carded.

Tough on Saints to lose the players they did.

[Mikey Brown]

I sort of get that, but it being Furbank’s responsibility to avoid hurdlers rather than getting up and carry on is not a thing I was aware of. How long is he meant to stay there?

The risk from Buros seems idiotic to me. He could have killed him. He must have at least felt his knee blast a guy directly in the face and he didn’t even turn to look. I know he’s focussed on the ball but that seemed strange to me.

It all happens very quickly, and I don’t think intentionally at all, but I’d still call that reckless. I’ve seen it compared to offside players staying out of the way in the 9s passing lane or when chasing a try scorer, but those are frequent occurrences where everyone knows the drill.

[Banquo]

I sort of get that, but it being Furbank’s responsibility to avoid hurdlers rather than getting up and carry on is not a thing I was aware of. How long is he meant to stay there?

The risk from Buros seems idiotic to me. He could have killed him. He must have at least felt his knee blast a guy directly in the face and he didn’t even turn to look. I know he’s focussed on the ball but that seemed strange to me.

It all happens very quickly, and I don’t think intentionally at all, but I’d still call that reckless. I’ve seen it compared to offside players staying out of the way in the 9s passing lane or when chasing a try scorer, but those are frequent occurrences where everyone knows the drill.

Exactly what I thought. Is Furbank supposed to assume there’s a sniper out there, or simply rejoin the game asap.

[Which Tyler]

Exactly what I thought. Is Furbank supposed to assume there’s a sniper out there, or simply rejoin the game asap.

That's why it's just a rugby incident.
In the heat of the moment, he's not really to know.

Had he stayed down another half second - nothing at all happens.
As is, he essentially "tackled" the man in the air - which is more dangerous than hurdling someone on the floor, as happens at about 25% of all rucks, a fair few try scores, and at other odd times during matches.

TBH, when I first saw it, at 10x speed (or whatever it was) that's exactly what I thought had happened - that he'd seen Buros going for the ball, and taken him out whilst he's on the ground and out of the game.
Obviously, that opinion didn't last into the first re-viewing after rewinding.

[Mikey Brown]

A player who has jumped in the air for no reason though, it’s not remotely like the Freeman/Penaud one. He wasn’t going to leap and catch that ball on the full.

It would be a tough pen, being an accident, but I don’t know why Buros would be expecting Furbank to just lay there and have a nap until play ended. Split-second stuff, but I can’t blame Furbank in the slightest.

[Which Tyler]

You'll notice that I'm repeatedly NOT blaming Furbank.

And exactly the same could be said the other way.
It's an accident, I don't know why Buros wouldn't expect the man on the ground to stay there for an extra fraction of a second, given that he's on the ground and out of the game.
Split second stuff, but I can't blame either of them in the slightest.

I think it's interesting that no-one is blaming Furbank for wanting to get on his feet, and back in the game as quickly as possible, but that some are blaming Buros for wanting to get to the ball on the ground, and on with the game as quickly as possible, It's almost as if we're a little biased towards the Englishman on the English team.

[p/d]

Is Buros known for his hurdling prowess?

[Mikey Brown]

I don't know why Buros wouldn't expect the man on the ground to stay there for an extra fraction of a second, given that he's on the ground and out of the game

I sense we could do this forever and not agree. He’s out of the game because he’s on the ground. Agree to disagree I guess. It’s definitely marginal, and pretty much a one in a million incident.

[Scrumhead]

At this point, debating whether it should have been a card or not feels like the wrong thing to focus on. More importantly, does anyone know how Furbank is doing?