Eugene Wrayburn wrote: ↑Wed Jul 17, 2024 11:45 pm
Trump really is the luckiest motherfucker in American political history.
He couldn’t have scripted this better. Get accused of a bunch of crimes that can get delayed or thrown out by corrupt judges, or which aren’t taken that seriously. That gives him victim hood. Add in a president who is on his last legs and an attempted assassination attempt for a
Small dose of martyrdom.
Don't forget classy. Trump is class, in the manliest of manly ways:
"Trump appeared after Kid Rock delivered a version of his song American Bad Ass, an introduction from Ultimate Fighting Championship chief Dana White, a shirt-ripping endorsement from wrestling legend Hulk Hogan and a singalong version of his rally anthem God Bless the USA."
morepork wrote: ↑Fri Jul 19, 2024 5:44 pm
Don't forget classy. Trump is class, in the manliest of manly ways:
"Trump appeared after Kid Rock delivered a version of his song American Bad Ass, an introduction from Ultimate Fighting Championship chief Dana White, a shirt-ripping endorsement from wrestling legend Hulk Hogan and a singalong version of his rally anthem God Bless the USA."
White Trash Central.
I was listening to someone describe J D Vance as the intellectual heft of MAGA on a podcast earlier which puzzled me until I considered the rest of them.
morepork wrote: ↑Fri Jul 19, 2024 5:44 pm
Don't forget classy. Trump is class, in the manliest of manly ways:
"Trump appeared after Kid Rock delivered a version of his song American Bad Ass, an introduction from Ultimate Fighting Championship chief Dana White, a shirt-ripping endorsement from wrestling legend Hulk Hogan and a singalong version of his rally anthem God Bless the USA."
White Trash Central.
I was listening to someone describe J D Vance as the intellectual heft of MAGA on a podcast earlier which puzzled me until I considered the rest of them.
I think Vance is acting dumber than he really is though, to get that blue collar demographic. The ones who think he gives a shit about them because he wrote a book with Hillbilly in the title.
Sandydragon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 19, 2024 8:00 am
Massive conundrum here. Kamala is the obvious replacement, but she doesn’t appear to be that popular and there’s a racist and sexist issue to get over. But would the Dems want to replace her with a white man? Not a great look.
I like Whitmee but if she isn’t keen yet then I’m not sure who else. I have a horrible feeling that it’s too late and this is now about damage limitation.
I'm worried that he just won't go. But the drying up of funds should give him a taste of chilly reality. I hope.
But if he does go I can't see anything other than him anointing Harris. It's not actually in his gift, she would still need to win the vote, but all the momentum and patronage and money would be with her.
Sandydragon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 19, 2024 8:00 am
Massive conundrum here. Kamala is the obvious replacement, but she doesn’t appear to be that popular and there’s a racist and sexist issue to get over. But would the Dems want to replace her with a white man? Not a great look.
I like Whitmee but if she isn’t keen yet then I’m not sure who else. I have a horrible feeling that it’s too late and this is now about damage limitation.
I'm worried that he just won't go. But the drying up of funds should give him a taste of chilly reality. I hope.
But if he does go I can't see anything other than him anointing Harris. It's not actually in his gift, she would still need to win the vote, but all the momentum and patronage and money would be with her.
The DRC might eventually find the balls to push Biden out, but there's no way in hell they will be able to do that and deny him his choice of successor.
morepork wrote: ↑Fri Jul 19, 2024 5:44 pm
Don't forget classy. Trump is class, in the manliest of manly ways:
"Trump appeared after Kid Rock delivered a version of his song American Bad Ass, an introduction from Ultimate Fighting Championship chief Dana White, a shirt-ripping endorsement from wrestling legend Hulk Hogan and a singalong version of his rally anthem God Bless the USA."
White Trash Central.
I was listening to someone describe J D Vance as the intellectual heft of MAGA on a podcast earlier which puzzled me until I considered the rest of them.
I think Vance is acting dumber than he really is though, to get that blue collar demographic. The ones who think he gives a shit about them because he wrote a book with Hillbilly in the title.
That’s possible. He also seems to come across as more ideologically hard right than Trump, which isn’t a happy thought.
I was listening to someone describe J D Vance as the intellectual heft of MAGA on a podcast earlier which puzzled me until I considered the rest of them.
I think Vance is acting dumber than he really is though, to get that blue collar demographic. The ones who think he gives a shit about them because he wrote a book with Hillbilly in the title.
That’s possible. He also seems to come across as more ideologically hard right than Trump, which isn’t a happy thought.
I did hear (from C4 news) that he's changed his views so radically (from the centre-right) that it's hard to believe anything he says.
Sandydragon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 19, 2024 8:00 am
Massive conundrum here. Kamala is the obvious replacement, but she doesn’t appear to be that popular and there’s a racist and sexist issue to get over. But would the Dems want to replace her with a white man? Not a great look.
I like Whitmee but if she isn’t keen yet then I’m not sure who else. I have a horrible feeling that it’s too late and this is now about damage limitation.
I'm worried that he just won't go. But the drying up of funds should give him a taste of chilly reality. I hope.
But if he does go I can't see anything other than him anointing Harris. It's not actually in his gift, she would still need to win the vote, but all the momentum and patronage and money would be with her.
The DRC might eventually find the balls to push Biden out, but there's no way in hell they will be able to do that and deny him his choice of successor.
Puja
It's not really something they can do. He's got the votes so he's the nominee. I'm not sure even invoking the 25th amendment (which there's no way they'll do) would mean that he wasn't the nominee. He needs to be persuaded that he cannot win. And I think he probably cannot. His team need to make him watch the debate then set out what he needs to do to counter-act that (a shit ton of interviews day and night without seeming senile and ideally without making more gaffes, which would be interpreted as him being senile). They need to be honest and say they don't think he can manage that and get out the necessary messages in those interviews. Biden has a great story to tell. He's been a brilliant president. But he's incapable of campaigning and telling that story. I thought they would manage to marshall the full talents of the party and use them to get the message out but the reality is that the american media is not vaguely interested in policy and is only just about interested in reporting the presidential contenders.
I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person.
Son of Mathonwy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 19, 2024 11:42 pm
I'm worried that he just won't go. But the drying up of funds should give him a taste of chilly reality. I hope.
But if he does go I can't see anything other than him anointing Harris. It's not actually in his gift, she would still need to win the vote, but all the momentum and patronage and money would be with her.
The DRC might eventually find the balls to push Biden out, but there's no way in hell they will be able to do that and deny him his choice of successor.
Puja
He's been a brilliant president.
The outcomes under him, with the Ukraine and post covid backdrop, are amazing indeed.
Sandydragon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 21, 2024 11:00 am
Sadly his record is getting zero attention. Just his ability to appear like he can continue for another 4 years.
Trump has raw energy and Biden just looks increasingly feeble against that. A large part of the presidency is appearing to be presidential.
No point (electorally speaking) if you improve things but no one notices. You need to make a big enough improvement in their lives that they can't ignore it. Wealth redistribution is a sensible approach - a dollar is more noticeable to the poor than the rich (and a better economic stimulus) - so transfer some of them!
Dems will have to find someone other than Kamala or Whitmer (again I predict Newsom).. Newsom is California's Gov, and he has turned our state in to a complete disaster. It will be interesting.
It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance.
I feel bad for the man, hes obviously been used this entire time. His fat rich donors withheld money to force him out, regardless of what his primary voters actually wanted and voted for.
Seems the rich donors were more of a threat to democracy than anyone else.
#muhdemocracy
It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance.
Coco wrote: ↑Sun Jul 21, 2024 8:26 pm
I feel bad for the man, hes obviously been used this entire time. His fat rich donors withheld money to force him out, regardless of what his primary voters actually wanted and voted for.
Seems the rich donors were more of a threat to democracy than anyone else.
#muhdemocracy
I mean, the primary wasn't exactly an actual competition. No-one sensible stood against him, so the options were basically "or Biden."
You're not wrong on the influence money has on US politics though. Citizens United is a blight on your democracy.
Coco wrote: ↑Sun Jul 21, 2024 8:26 pm
I feel bad for the man, hes obviously been used this entire time. His fat rich donors withheld money to force him out, regardless of what his primary voters actually wanted and voted for.
Seems the rich donors were more of a threat to democracy than anyone else.
#muhdemocracy
I mean, the primary wasn't exactly an actual competition. No-one sensible stood against him, so the options were basically "or Biden."
You're not wrong on the influence money has on US politics though. Citizens United is a blight on your democracy.
Puja
Biden wasn’t held to any challenge in the primaries. I get that’s the convention but it’s a crap convention when at least one sensible challenger can put a bit of scrutiny on a sitting president.
While I understand both your points, thats how it works here. Doesnt matter if he had a challenger. The D party should have promoted a decent challenger at that time. A primary was held and he won for the D party. The people spoke with their vote. Its been well known for nearly 4 yrs Biden's faculties were in decline. People chose to overlook it and act like nothing was wrong and the people speaking up with concerns were cast off as bigots, conspiracy theorists, and traitors. Reasonable people had valid concerns. Nothing changed until the donor money train vanished like a fart in the wind, then all of a sudden he needs to be forced out by his own party. Thats not democracy - thats a huge FU to the voters... and nothing short of resembling a coup.
Now the delegates will decide who runs and the people... the voters... will have no say.
Destroying the very democracy they harp on about day and night in the pursuit of power.
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It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance.
Fantastic news. Republicans are flailing around trying to find fault with this. No matter, it was just a belated sign of sanity in the Democratic party. Yeah, funding should have no role like this in politics, absolutely, let's cast it out of all US politics then. Till then, at least it's worked in a sensible way for once.
Coco wrote: ↑Sun Jul 21, 2024 11:21 pm
While I understand both your points, thats how it works here. Doesnt matter if he had a challenger. The D party should have promoted a decent challenger at that time. A primary was held and he won for the D party. The people spoke with their vote. Its been well known for nearly 4 yrs Biden's faculties were in decline. People chose to overlook it and act like nothing was wrong and the people speaking up with concerns were cast off as bigots, conspiracy theorists, and traitors. Reasonable people had valid concerns. Nothing changed until the donor money train vanished like a fart in the wind, then all of a sudden he needs to be forced out by his own party. Thats not democracy - thats a huge FU to the voters... and nothing short of resembling a coup.
Now the delegates will decide who runs and the people... the voters... will have no say.
Destroying the very democracy they harp on about day and night in the pursuit of power.
I’m always interested which events prompt responses from you on here. You have a very different perspective to most. Of course there’s a divide between party and supporters, but that’s not a new thing or limited to the democrats is it?
Of course when confidence drops the money dries up. It’s a business after all.
Does this strengthen or weaken DT’s chances in your mind?
Coco wrote: ↑Sun Jul 21, 2024 11:21 pm
While I understand both your points, thats how it works here. Doesnt matter if he had a challenger. The D party should have promoted a decent challenger at that time. A primary was held and he won for the D party. The people spoke with their vote. Its been well known for nearly 4 yrs Biden's faculties were in decline. People chose to overlook it and act like nothing was wrong and the people speaking up with concerns were cast off as bigots, conspiracy theorists, and traitors. Reasonable people had valid concerns. Nothing changed until the donor money train vanished like a fart in the wind, then all of a sudden he needs to be forced out by his own party. Thats not democracy - thats a huge FU to the voters... and nothing short of resembling a coup.
Now the delegates will decide who runs and the people... the voters... will have no say.
Destroying the very democracy they harp on about day and night in the pursuit of power.
