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Re: 6 Nations 2020
Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2020 1:29 pm
by Adder
Mikey Brown wrote:Is there actually any expectation that the team is announced today? Since seeing that team sheet this morning I've been checking the SRU page pretty incessantly and just realised it might not even be out today.
"The Scotland team will be named by Head Coach Gregor Townsend this Thursday. "
https://www.scottishrugby.org/fanzone/t ... eland-team
Re: 6 Nations 2020
Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2020 2:26 pm
by hugh_woatmeigh
Chunks Baws wrote:Mikey Brown wrote:https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/51289567
"Dave has pushed me to work on a lot of areas of my game," he says. "I've always been quite confident in myself and backed my ability but I've worked on areas that I probably haven't worked on before.
"One of the main things is my handling under pressure. Nowadays defences are putting a lot more pressure on with a lot more line speed so being able to get the ball in and out of your hands quickly under pressure, especially in the wide channels is important.
"On the defensive side, I think contrary to what many people believe I've always been a good defender. I get in good positions and the main issue I've had is tackle selection.
"I've maybe not stayed in the fight long enough or gone too high and I've been working on that. With [new Scotland defence coach] Steve Tandy coming in I really like his defensive system, I feel like it suits me."
Obviously any player will always try to put a positive spin on these things but he seems quite honest in this article and there are some promising bits. The defensive alignment thing is an interesting one. I remember him getting absolutely caned for (what seemed like) a bunch of defensive errors against Wales (I think) a couple of years back.
That rugby nerd/blogger guy thedeadballarea did a really good piece following that on how his positioning was actually great but the defensive system had holes that Wales exploited. Truth is without watching most games a couple of times or simply following one player at a time it can be very hard to get an accurate picture of their contribution
That was a really good article. That was when I went from thinking that Taylor was a bit shit to thinking he was a completely useless fud. I think that was the article that highlighted we used no "sweeper". Other teams would have the scrum half sweep behind to cover the back pitch in case the first line was beaten, we didn't. It made us look like fucking amateurs.
I'm a lot less analytical when it comes to the rugby than I used to be but this seems correct. I've noted on here plenty of times - once our defensive line was broken, that was it. A try almost always followed as there was little to no second opportunity to tackle the line breaker. Even a half break with an offload - once it was breached, that was it.
Re: 6 Nations 2020
Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2020 6:20 pm
by Cameo
hugh_woatmeigh wrote:Chunks Baws wrote:Mikey Brown wrote:https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/51289567
Obviously any player will always try to put a positive spin on these things but he seems quite honest in this article and there are some promising bits. The defensive alignment thing is an interesting one. I remember him getting absolutely caned for (what seemed like) a bunch of defensive errors against Wales (I think) a couple of years back.
That rugby nerd/blogger guy thedeadballarea did a really good piece following that on how his positioning was actually great but the defensive system had holes that Wales exploited. Truth is without watching most games a couple of times or simply following one player at a time it can be very hard to get an accurate picture of their contribution
That was a really good article. That was when I went from thinking that Taylor was a bit shit to thinking he was a completely useless fud. I think that was the article that highlighted we used no "sweeper". Other teams would have the scrum half sweep behind to cover the back pitch in case the first line was beaten, we didn't. It made us look like fucking amateurs.
I'm a lot less analytical when it comes to the rugby than I used to be but this seems correct. I've noted on here plenty of times - once our defensive line was broken, that was it. A try almost always followed as there was little to no second opportunity to tackle the line breaker. Even a half break with an offload - once it was breached, that was it.
To be fair, the article wasn't that black and white. It was saying that the traditional way is to have the scrum half sweeping but more and more teams now (including Scotland) don't. The theory is it should lead to less line breaks, although once the line is broken you are in more trouble. For Scotland, it just doesn't work as we haven't cut down on line breaks and aren't great scrambling.
Horne might help with that.
Re: 6 Nations 2020
Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2020 3:31 pm
by Still septic
Cameo wrote:hugh_woatmeigh wrote:Chunks Baws wrote:
That was a really good article. That was when I went from thinking that Taylor was a bit shit to thinking he was a completely useless fud. I think that was the article that highlighted we used no "sweeper". Other teams would have the scrum half sweep behind to cover the back pitch in case the first line was beaten, we didn't. It made us look like fucking amateurs.
I'm a lot less analytical when it comes to the rugby than I used to be but this seems correct. I've noted on here plenty of times - once our defensive line was broken, that was it. A try almost always followed as there was little to no second opportunity to tackle the line breaker. Even a half break with an offload - once it was breached, that was it.
To be fair, the article wasn't that black and white. It was saying that the traditional way is to have the scrum half sweeping but more and more teams now (including Scotland) don't. The theory is it should lead to less line breaks, although once the line is broken you are in more trouble. For Scotland, it just doesn't work as we haven't cut down on line breaks and aren't great scrambling.
Horne might help with that.
The team with the most notoriously good organised defence have not used the 9 as a sweeper. He defends about 2 in from the breakdown looking for an interception. Wales.
Re: 6 Nations 2020
Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2020 7:00 pm
by whatisthejava
So big questions for next week
Who gets swooped out.
Bradbury for Haining
Graham for kinghorn
Is prob my only two
Re: 6 Nations 2020
Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2020 7:48 pm
by Mikey Brown
whatisthejava wrote:So big questions for next week
Who gets swooped out.
Bradbury for Haining
Graham for kinghorn
Is prob my only two
Was Kinghorn worse than Maitland?
Is that Haining or CDP on the bench?
Is Hutchinson and Harris on the bench satisfactory? It would seem RH is viewed now as 10/12 cover and Harris 13/wing?
I would hope we’d hear something regarding Russell this week but who knows.
Re: 6 Nations 2020
Posted: Tue Feb 04, 2020 9:35 pm
by General Zod
Re: 6 Nations 2020
Posted: Tue Feb 04, 2020 10:32 pm
by Big D
It's a bit unnecessary tbh.
Re: 6 Nations 2020
Posted: Sat Feb 08, 2020 11:11 pm
by Big D
Russell has apparently done an interview with Mark Palmer.
Can't imagine anything good will come from it.
Re: 6 Nations 2020
Posted: Sat Feb 08, 2020 11:38 pm
by hugh_woatmeigh
Big D wrote:Russell has apparently done an interview with Mark Palmer.
Can't imagine anything good will come from it.
If it is indeed Toony v Finn then there's only one winner. Toony's position was untenable as soon as we were knocked out of the RWC anyway.

Re: 6 Nations 2020
Posted: Sat Feb 08, 2020 11:40 pm
by Big D
hugh_woatmeigh wrote:Big D wrote:Russell has apparently done an interview with Mark Palmer.
Can't imagine anything good will come from it.
If it is indeed Toony v Finn then there's only one winner. Toony's position was untenable as soon as we were knocked out of the RWC anyway.

There are never any winners in this type of situation. Only losers.
Re: 6 Nations 2020
Posted: Sat Feb 08, 2020 11:45 pm
by hugh_woatmeigh
Big D wrote:hugh_woatmeigh wrote:Big D wrote:Russell has apparently done an interview with Mark Palmer.
Can't imagine anything good will come from it.
If it is indeed Toony v Finn then there's only one winner. Toony's position was untenable as soon as we were knocked out of the RWC anyway.

There are never any winners in this type of situation. Only losers.
Well sure. Based on the limited info Finn stepped over the line but the fact remains - Toony is not very good at his job. Pulling a giant-killing win out of the bag every few games is not good enough.
Re: 6 Nations 2020
Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2020 12:51 am
by General Zod
Doesn’t sound like he’s coming back while Townsend continues to take us from strength to strength.
https://www.theoffsideline.com/finn-rus ... -walk-out/
Re: 6 Nations 2020
Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2020 1:06 am
by hugh_woatmeigh
[quote="General Zod"]Doesn’t sound like he’s coming back while Townsend continues to take us from strength to strength.
https://www.theoffsideline.com/finn-rus ... -walk-out/[/quote
I'm not really sure what to make of this.
I've been in his position (re mangement) before and moved on of my own accord. But these are the best Scotland has to offer on the global stage and I'm just an average joe. Finn can't really move anywhere else. Toony's position was already untenable as I've said before. If you've alienated one of the few international class players in a key position then....
Re: 6 Nations 2020
Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2020 1:08 am
by hugh_woatmeigh
Also that "leadership" group nonsense is shite. The head of the said "leadership" group has arguably cost us two results.
Whether someone has 1 or 5 beers is clearly not what fucking matters.
Re: 6 Nations 2020
Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2020 1:54 am
by hugh_woatmeigh
Townsend arranged for him to see a psychologist on the Tuesday. For Russell, the message was that his Scotland bosses believe he has an alcohol problem.
Sorry. That's enough for me. Please just go Gregor.
Re: 6 Nations 2020
Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2020 9:11 am
by Donny osmond
Without defending GT, who I think isn't right for the head job, I don't think that interview clears FR from anything at all, he just comes across as a petulant spoilt narcissist. Fuck them both.
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Re: 6 Nations 2020
Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:16 am
by Banquo
Re: 6 Nations 2020
Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:34 am
by Big D
Banquo wrote:
Pretty sulky stuff
I'm not sure it all is. Some of it is but some of it isn't. If he was sulky he wouldn't have spoken to the psychologist knowing there was no real reason to. Plus texting him to say he can go home? At least have the decency to call him, or do it face to face. That isn't to.say Russell is blameless, he clearly isn't*.
Every man and his dog knows Townsends tactics have been shite for a while. God forbid the team key play maker and apparent member of the leadership team wants to raise legitimate concerns. A key part of man management is to make your team feel like you are listening even if you don't change the plan.
*No surprise I am not completely against Finn, I was partly on KPs side when the england cricket team were partly mismanaging him.
Re: 6 Nations 2020
Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:37 am
by paddy no 11
Donny osmond wrote:Without defending GT, who I think isn't right for the head job, I don't think that interview clears FR from anything at all, he just comes across as a petulant spoilt narcissist. Fuck them both.
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Would agree with you
Unfortunately the question finn asks about gameplan is what all ye supporters on here say after watching Scotland play "what is the gameplan"
Be dropping price too after yesterday didn't have the composure when it mattered
Re: 6 Nations 2020
Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:38 am
by Banquo
Big D wrote:Banquo wrote:
Pretty sulky stuff
I'm not sure it all is. Some of it is but some of it isn't. If he was sulky he wouldn't have spoken to the psychologist knowing there was no real reason to. Plus texting him to say he can go home? At least have the decency to call him, or do it face to face. That isn't to.say Russell is blameless, he clearly isn't*.
Every man and his dog knows Townsends tactics have been shite for a while. God forbid the team key play maker and apparent member of the leadership team wants to raise legitimate concerns. A key part of man management is to make your team feel like you are listening even if you don't change the plan.
*No surprise I am not completely against Finn, I was partly on KPs side when the england cricket team were partly mismanaging him.
Some players are just difficult; you have to judge whether their presence ultimately helps or hinders. KP was sent away about a year before this was the case- but he is an utter knob. A lot of coaches are also shyte.
BTW, I should have said petty sulky stuff, reflecting both sides, as neither come out well.
Re: 6 Nations 2020
Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2020 11:02 am
by Mikey Brown
paddy no 11 wrote:Donny osmond wrote:Without defending GT, who I think isn't right for the head job, I don't think that interview clears FR from anything at all, he just comes across as a petulant spoilt narcissist. Fuck them both.
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Would agree with you
Unfortunately the question finn asks about gameplan is what all ye supporters on here say after watching Scotland play "what is the gameplan"
Be dropping price too after yesterday didn't have the composure when it mattered
He got an 8 on a player rating I read yesterday, which was... odd.
Re: RE: Re: 6 Nations 2020
Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2020 11:08 am
by Donny osmond
Big D wrote:Banquo wrote:
Pretty sulky stuff
I'm not sure it all is. Some of it is but some of it isn't. If he was sulky he wouldn't have spoken to the psychologist knowing there was no real reason to. Plus texting him to say he can go home? At least have the decency to call him, or do it face to face. That isn't to.say Russell is blameless, he clearly isn't*.
Every man and his dog knows Townsends tactics have been shite for a while. God forbid the team key play maker and apparent member of the leadership team wants to raise legitimate concerns. A key part of man management is to make your team feel like you are listening even if you don't change the plan.
*No surprise I am not completely against Finn, I was partly on KPs side when the england cricket team were partly mismanaging him.
I agree up to a point, but the idea that FR can swan in and start drinking when he's been told the rules and his attitude is he doesn't have to listen to those rules kinda takes the onus off anyone else to listen to him.
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Re: RE: Re: 6 Nations 2020
Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2020 11:09 am
by Donny osmond
paddy no 11 wrote:Donny osmond wrote:Without defending GT, who I think isn't right for the head job, I don't think that interview clears FR from anything at all, he just comes across as a petulant spoilt narcissist. Fuck them both.
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Would agree with you
Unfortunately the question finn asks about gameplan is what all ye supporters on here say after watching Scotland play "what is the gameplan"
Be dropping price too after yesterday didn't have the composure when it mattered
Yup he does make some good points about the camp in general and the game plan in particular, I can understand his frustration but the answer to not being listened to isn't to, in turn, stop listening.
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Re: 6 Nations 2020
Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2020 11:58 am
by Big D
Banquo wrote:Big D wrote:Banquo wrote:
Pretty sulky stuff
I'm not sure it all is. Some of it is but some of it isn't. If he was sulky he wouldn't have spoken to the psychologist knowing there was no real reason to. Plus texting him to say he can go home? At least have the decency to call him, or do it face to face. That isn't to.say Russell is blameless, he clearly isn't*.
Every man and his dog knows Townsends tactics have been shite for a while. God forbid the team key play maker and apparent member of the leadership team wants to raise legitimate concerns. A key part of man management is to make your team feel like you are listening even if you don't change the plan.
*No surprise I am not completely against Finn, I was partly on KPs side when the england cricket team were partly mismanaging him.
Some players are just difficult; you have to judge whether their presence ultimately helps or hinders. KP was sent away about a year before this was the case- but he is an utter knob. A lot of coaches are also shyte.
BTW, I should have said petty sulky stuff, reflecting both sides, as neither come out well.
I pretty much agree. But from what has been said, Russell as a senior player and part of the leadership group isn't out of line for speaking up to GT so long as its repectfully done. We don't know whether that is the case or not yet.