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Ugh. You guys still haven’t worked this all out?

Mikey Brown wrote:Ugh. You guys still haven’t worked this all out?

Well no, I doubt anyone knows what will happen

Digby wrote:

Mikey Brown wrote:Ugh. You guys still haven’t worked this all out?

Well no, I doubt anyone knows what will happen

If it's not doable in 1800 posts on a rugby forum then we should clearly just give up with the whole thing. Reading the first few post on this thread is quite entertaining now.

Or depressing. I'm not sure which.

Mikey Brown wrote:

Digby wrote:

Mikey Brown wrote:Ugh. You guys still haven’t worked this all out?

Well no, I doubt anyone knows what will happen

If it's not doable in 1800 posts on a rugby forum then we should clearly just give up with the whole thing. Reading the first few post on this thread is quite entertaining now.

Or depressing. I'm not sure which.

I've just gone and read the first page. Oh, those sweet summer days!

Puja

I happened across the first page a while back, Eugene noting groups might be citing the will of the people I seem to recall, thank feck that never happened

They all know with absolute certainty what ought to be done, the problem is they cant agree on precisely what that is in order for the EU to reject it out of hand

very useful explainer of what next week in Parliament holds - http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2019/01 ... his-is-wha

Still no confirmation article 50 is getting delayed, and as I understand for a while now if today (or for a while) we accepted no deal or voted to accept May's deal we wouldn't have time for parliament to vote all the necessary legislation anyway. So either they might as well admit we have to change the time remaining or we have to accept parliament would have to vote on hundreds of items without ever looking at them and certainly without debate or amendment

Maybe they'd get it done with vast use of the sunset clause? But given the process would anyone trust the executive wouldn't slip in god only know what?

Digby wrote:Still no confirmation article 50 is getting delayed, and as I understand for a while now if today (or for a while) we accepted no deal or voted to accept May's deal we wouldn't have time for parliament to vote all the necessary legislation anyway. So either they might as well admit we have to change the time remaining or we have to accept parliament would have to vote on hundreds of items without ever looking at them and certainly without debate or amendment

Maybe they'd get it done with vast use of the sunset clause? But given the process would anyone trust the executive wouldn't slip in god only know what?

Read a good article that basically said the two amendments from Cooper and Grieve work together to almost ensure the power rests with parliament and that they can extend article 50.

Stom wrote:

Digby wrote:Still no confirmation article 50 is getting delayed, and as I understand for a while now if today (or for a while) we accepted no deal or voted to accept May's deal we wouldn't have time for parliament to vote all the necessary legislation anyway. So either they might as well admit we have to change the time remaining or we have to accept parliament would have to vote on hundreds of items without ever looking at them and certainly without debate or amendment

Maybe they'd get it done with vast use of the sunset clause? But given the process would anyone trust the executive wouldn't slip in god only know what?

Read a good article that basically said the two amendments from Cooper and Grieve work together to almost ensure the power rests with parliament and that they can extend article 50.

If they pass. As we saw with the upskirt legislation it's very easy to disrupt legislation not backed by government time, though perhaps I do brexiters a disservice, this is about restoring the sovereignty of parliament so perish the thought they disrupt or talk out a private bill

If the votes go the way of Cooper and Grieve it's quite likely John Bercow will be the story, if Bercow can find it within himself to be the centre of attention

The mental gymnastics involved in brexit supporters defending dyson moving to singapore is some thing to behold. At what point will the penny drop? It's just getting embarrassing now.

twitchy wrote:The mental gymnastics involved in brexit supporters defending dyson moving to singapore is some thing to behold. At what point will the penny drop? It's just getting embarrassing now.

Well indeed. Who's left of the Brexit backers?

Stom wrote:

twitchy wrote:The mental gymnastics involved in brexit supporters defending dyson moving to singapore is some thing to behold. At what point will the penny drop? It's just getting embarrassing now.

Well indeed. Who's left of the Brexit backers?

Weatherspoon like Dyson was pro brexit so bollocks to them, and a well known fraudulent coffee chain

Martin's been doing a tour of his pubs, holding public meetings to barrack for No Deal. Given that, unlike Dyson and Rees-Mogg, he can't really move his business overseas, you can only conclude that he's a true believer. And, you know, strikingly gullible.

Puja

So JRM has been saying today that if parliament tries to block no deal, May should cancel Parliament...

Zhivago wrote:So JRM has been saying today that if parliament tries to block no deal, May should cancel Parliament...

We need to take back control...
Sovereignty of parliament...
Something something throwback

twitchy wrote:The mental gymnastics involved in brexit supporters defending dyson moving to singapore is some thing to behold. At what point will the penny drop? It's just getting embarrassing now.

James Dyson - he may not have invented it, but he's certainly perfected the moral vacuum!

Ian Dunt giving everyone a thoroughly deserved kicking - http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2019/01 ... everywhere

Wherever you look, the same godawful spectacle. People with no imagination, repeating the same ideas which didn't work last time. The same old misplaced fears, about the same old referendum result. The same shocking degree of irresponsibility from Cabinet ministers. It's like watching a video of muddy water swirl down a drain, every hour of every day, for months on end.

Even an election wouldn't sort this out. What would be the Tory policy? May's deal or no-deal? It wouldn't make any difference. You couldn't get her MPs on side for either. So even if she got a majority, which she probably wouldn't, she still couldn't pass her bill. Corbyn's Brexit policy is just as demented as hers, but even more vague. Even if he got a majority, he'd be in the same position. An election solves nothing.

There is no fire escape. We are trapped in unconscionable circumstances by people who were warned that this would happen and did it anyway. The only escape route, and it is a desperate one, is for Cooper's amendment to stretch the time and Grieve's amendment, which hands MPs six government-free days in the Commons, to sort out what they're going to do. But even this basic, uncontroversial, bog-standard initiative is being sabotaged by government ministers, the Labour front bench, and MPs' own petrified, self-interested inadequacies.

What an abysmal godforsaken shower. They really don't have a single thing to recommend them.

To be fair to Mark Francois he has brought a new idea to the party.

Mellsblue wrote:To be fair to Mark Francois he has brought a new idea to the party.

Is he the one who looks like a fat Penfold?

Digby wrote:

Mellsblue wrote:To be fair to Mark Francois he has brought a new idea to the party.

Is he the one who looks like a fat Penfold?

Ha, yes it is!! Brilliant comparison. Given his outburst on TV, I’d imagine Penfold will not be happy with the comparison.

Zhivago wrote:

Mellsblue wrote:

Stones of granite wrote: You are conflating separate issues. At its most basic, the principal issue is one of national sovereignty. The UK is withdrawing from the EU simply by sticking an article 50 notice in and leaving. Scotland cannot withdraw from the UK by giving notice to the Act of Union. Once this basic issue is resolved, the other things like who Scotland enters a trade partnership with, or which economic/political unions it joins/leaves can be discussed and voted on by the Scottish people. In the meantime Scots just have to suck it up and do what the English decide.

Independence for Yorkshire, cos we have to suck up what everyone else decides. Also, independence for the south-east as they subsidise everybody else. Finally, independence for every region because they either have to suck up decisions made by everyone else - whilst actually getting most of what they want - or subsidise everyone else. It’ll be the biggly-est, most stable genius independence policy ever.

Typical English arrogance, belittling the Scottish nation by comparing them to Yorkshire. Not so different to Putin saying that Ukraine isn't a real country.

It’s a matter for the people of Yorkshire to come to terms with. I really couldn’t care less one way or the other. If there is a significant proportion of the people of Yorkshire who feel that way, then they can deal with it in the way they see fit.