New and Improved EPS Watch/Player Form Thread

[FKAS]

Good appointments for the summer there. Wigglesworth getting a good development opportunity with the Lions as well.

[Which Tyler]

Max Ojomoh, 34 minutes to get MotM

[FKAS]

Max Ojomoh, 34 minutes to get MotM

Helped by coming on at the same time as Ben Youngs who was obsessed with throwing wide passes at a speed slightly faster than an ice age with Ojomoh leading the blitz.

If I was JvP if be having a word with Chieka along the lines of "don't fucking do that in the playoffs!"

[fivepointer]

Ojomoh looked very lively. He's a cert for Argentina.

[FKAS]

Ojomoh looked very lively. He's a cert for Argentina.

His ability to play 12 and 13 as well as all round skillset should see him get a squad place. Only issues might be that he'll miss the training squad next week and the XV game which might give others opportunity to impress the coaches.

[Banquo]

Ojomoh looked very lively. He's a cert for Argentina.

I don't think lively has ever been an issue

[Captainhaircut]

RMW has confirmed he has been called up to the “alignment camp” that will be come together on Tuesday and Wednesday. Unclear when or if they will announce it.

Probably not a surprise with Ojomoh, Dingwall and Butt with their clubs and Lawrence injured. Interesting to see if they move on from Slade completely- I would think Woodward, Atkinson, RMW and Beard would be the 4 centres in this camp but guess Slade’s versatility may get him a call up.

[Danno]

“alignment camp”

Wtf is this. Is everyone trying to outdo "system players" and "Impact players" for nonsense, consultant-brain-farted terminology now?

[fivepointer]

Alignment camp sounds a nonsense but RMW should certainly be there.

[FKAS]

Alignment camp sounds a nonsense but RMW should certainly be there.

He's shown he's more than just a big lump. He's got some pace and link play as well. We've definitely needed an alternative to Lawrence in the midfield and it seems RMW might be able to offer that.

[Captainhaircut]

Wing is a really interesting one for this camp and the summer (been mentioned in the Quins v Exeter thread…)

No Freeman, Sleightholme or Daly who all played there in the 6N. No Muir and presume IFW not fit. Hendy also unavailable who played for the A side this year.

That’s still going to leave Radwan, OHC, Elliott, PBB, Roebuck and Murley with probably only 4 picked. Arundell and Loader will also be available for the summer tour if we wanted.

Feels like it’s become our second most competitive position outside of back row. Probably in a different way- back row is jammed with proven top performers whilst outside of Freeman and IFW, wing is just very hard to pick between everyone else.

[Mikey Brown]

Yeah I’d agree it’s significantly different, as none of them (swap Sleightholme for Roebuck - who I would say has looked very good so far) have proven to be more than potential yet*, but it’s exciting to have those options beyond the incumbents.

It will be very interesting to see who gets the nod.

[Captainhaircut]

Guessing at the squad to quell my boredom. Assumed a 35 man although no idea what size will be!

Rodd, Baxter, Brantingham
George, Dan, oghre
Heyes, AOF, afo
Clark, Batley
CCS, Isiekwe
Kenningham, clement
BCurry, Ilione
Willis, Dombrandt
JVP, quirke, Randall
Ford, Atkinson
Woodward, Atkinson
RMW, beard, Slade
Murley, OHC
Roebuck, PBB
Carpenter, Steward

Bath and Saints players in mix for summer tour but couldn’t be picked.

Obano, Iyogun, Haffer
Langdon
Richards, Ewels, Coles, Lockett
Underhill, Pepper, Pearson
Barbeary
Spencer
Donoghue
Dingwall, Ojomoh, Butt
Muir

Maybe injured, maybe not
IFW
Sleightholme
Furbank

[Puja]

RMW has confirmed he has been called up to the “alignment camp” that will be come together on Tuesday and Wednesday. Unclear when or if they will announce it.

Hopefully him leaking the news won't be taken badly by Secretive Bandicoot - bit unprofessional, although understandable from a young lad.

Puja

[Danno]

RMW has confirmed he has been called up to the “alignment camp” that will be come together on Tuesday and Wednesday. Unclear when or if they will announce it.

Hopefully him leaking the news won't be taken badly by Secretive Bandicoot - bit unprofessional, although understandable from a young lad.

Puja

Slash Bandicoot was right there man!

[Puja]

RMW has confirmed he has been called up to the “alignment camp” that will be come together on Tuesday and Wednesday. Unclear when or if they will announce it.

Hopefully him leaking the news won't be taken badly by Secretive Bandicoot - bit unprofessional, although understandable from a young lad.

Puja

Slash Bandicoot was right there man!

I am ashamed.

Puja

[Epaminondas Pules]

I'm not really seeing what the big deal with RMW is. He's showing bits and bobs, but he doesn't look anywhere near international. Maybe A standard to have a look at. Some nice touches, but he's not impacting games consistently. I've not watched a game and come away thinking he's massively stood out. He's done some good things in the game, but that's about it. That said he's in the infancy of his senior level career in terms of top tier club games. I think he's got 16 Prem and Champ Cup games under his belt now, so wouldn;t expect him to be setting the world alight.

At 12 we've got Dingwall and OK Slade according to Staggeringly Bonkers. Then there's Atkinson with four seasons of senior level rugby under his belt and looks the most rounded and game impacting player. And then three sub 20 top level game players in Waghorn, RMW and Woodward. Of those in the more physical centres I'd be looking at Waghorn over RMW.

[FKAS]

I'm not really seeing what the big deal with RMW is. He's showing bits and bobs, but he doesn't look anywhere near international. Maybe A standard to have a look at. Some nice touches, but he's not impacting games consistently. I've not watched a game and come away thinking he's massively stood out. He's done some good things in the game, but that's about it. That said he's in the infancy of his senior level career in terms of top tier club games. I think he's got 16 Prem and Champ Cup games under his belt now, so wouldn;t expect him to be setting the world alight.

At 12 we've got Dingwall and OK Slade according to Staggeringly Bonkers. Then there's Atkinson with four seasons of senior level rugby under his belt and looks the most rounded and game impacting player. And then three sub 20 top level game players in Waghorn, RMW and Woodward. Of those in the more physical centres I'd be looking at Waghorn over RMW.

Ma'asi-White can also slot into 13. Has got pace, he's very raw but been solid when I've seen him. Having him in a training camp where he can be given work ons and a taste of what is needed to step up makes sense.

Especially when there's no Dingwall, Lawrence, Ojomoh, Butt etc available for this camp. Get some younger centres in and have a look at them.

[Epaminondas Pules]

I'm not really seeing what the big deal with RMW is. He's showing bits and bobs, but he doesn't look anywhere near international. Maybe A standard to have a look at. Some nice touches, but he's not impacting games consistently. I've not watched a game and come away thinking he's massively stood out. He's done some good things in the game, but that's about it. That said he's in the infancy of his senior level career in terms of top tier club games. I think he's got 16 Prem and Champ Cup games under his belt now, so wouldn;t expect him to be setting the world alight.

At 12 we've got Dingwall and OK Slade according to Staggeringly Bonkers. Then there's Atkinson with four seasons of senior level rugby under his belt and looks the most rounded and game impacting player. And then three sub 20 top level game players in Waghorn, RMW and Woodward. Of those in the more physical centres I'd be looking at Waghorn over RMW.

Ma'asi-White can also slot into 13. Has got pace, he's very raw but been solid when I've seen him. Having him in a training camp where he can be given work ons and a taste of what is needed to step up makes sense.

Especially when there's no Dingwall, Lawrence, Ojomoh, Butt etc available for this camp. Get some younger centres in and have a look at them.

Waghorn the same, and neither has played 13 in a top tier club game (Prem and Champs Cup). They, plus Woodward have all had their breakthrough season this season. And even then none are really smashing doors down.

I've no real aversion to a wider warm up / lets have a look at whoever is left standing mind. But I'm still not seeing anything that really excites me.

[fivepointer]

RMW has enough going for him to warrant inclusion in the squad this week.

He looks a very solid all rounder to me. I especially like his defence which has been very reliable.

[Which Tyler]

No problem with RMW's inclusion in a large squad that omits any players from Bath, Saints or going on the Lions tour - so probably down to about 9th-12th choice.

This isn't a squad of "who do we pick if we're without Lawrence and Slade?" so much as "Who would we pick if we're without Lawrence, Slade, Dingwall, Freeman, Ojomoh, Daly and Butt, and we need enough players for England and England A (with 3-4 centres in each squad)? Oh, and whilst Marchant's in France, and Kelly's exploring his Irish heritage"

[Puja]

I'm not really seeing what the big deal with RMW is. He's showing bits and bobs, but he doesn't look anywhere near international. Maybe A standard to have a look at. Some nice touches, but he's not impacting games consistently. I've not watched a game and come away thinking he's massively stood out. He's done some good things in the game, but that's about it. That said he's in the infancy of his senior level career in terms of top tier club games. I think he's got 16 Prem and Champ Cup games under his belt now, so wouldn;t expect him to be setting the world alight.

I'm of a similar mind to you - I really want to like him, cause the idea of having a big, fast, hard-carrying centre is very attractive, and we're conditioned as England fans to be looking at every back with a polynesian name as "Is this a Manu Tuilagi?", but I got into games to watch him and I've not seen the excitement yet. He's okay, but he's not powerful enough to barrel through people, not fast enough to run around them, doesn't have fantastic feet, or a particularly good eye for a gap, or a top passing game. Just seems like a solid, basic bosher without any outstanding attributes to lift him above Prem level to me.

I'm really hoping I'm missing it, cause I would very much like what other people seem to be seeing.

Puja

[Puja]

No problem with RMW's inclusion in a large squad that omits any players from Bath, Saints or going on the Lions tour - so probably down to about 9th-12th choice.

This isn't a squad of "who do we pick if we're without Lawrence and Slade?" so much as "Who would we pick if we're without Lawrence, Slade, Dingwall, Freeman, Ojomoh, Daly and Butt, and we need enough players for England and England A (with 3-4 centres in each squad)? Oh, and whilst Marchant's in France, and Kelly's exploring his Irish heritage"

It'll be the omission of SAtkinson that'll upset everybody. There's obviously something about him that Scenter Betrayal doesn't like and the game against Bristol where he had an off-day will have wiped out the possibility of him getting in by being too consistently good to ignore.

Puja

[Scrumhead]

I'm not really seeing what the big deal with RMW is. He's showing bits and bobs, but he doesn't look anywhere near international. Maybe A standard to have a look at. Some nice touches, but he's not impacting games consistently. I've not watched a game and come away thinking he's massively stood out. He's done some good things in the game, but that's about it. That said he's in the infancy of his senior level career in terms of top tier club games. I think he's got 16 Prem and Champ Cup games under his belt now, so wouldn;t expect him to be setting the world alight.

I'm of a similar mind to you - I really want to like him, cause the idea of having a big, fast, hard-carrying centre is very attractive, and we're conditioned as England fans to be looking at every back with a polynesian name as "Is this a Manu Tuilagi?", but I got into games to watch him and I've not seen the excitement yet. He's okay, but he's not powerful enough to barrel through people, not fast enough to run around them, doesn't have fantastic feet, or a particularly good eye for a gap, or a top passing game. Just seems like a solid, basic bosher without any outstanding attributes to lift him above Prem level to me.

I'm really hoping I'm missing it, cause I would very much like what other people seem to be seeing.

Puja

Yeah, this is where I’m at. I feel like the Islander name and what that’s usually synonymous with is doing more of the heavy lifting than his actual performances. A/XV squad, yes. Full squad, not so much.

[Scrumhead]

No problem with RMW's inclusion in a large squad that omits any players from Bath, Saints or going on the Lions tour - so probably down to about 9th-12th choice.

This isn't a squad of "who do we pick if we're without Lawrence and Slade?" so much as "Who would we pick if we're without Lawrence, Slade, Dingwall, Freeman, Ojomoh, Daly and Butt, and we need enough players for England and England A (with 3-4 centres in each squad)? Oh, and whilst Marchant's in France, and Kelly's exploring his Irish heritage"

It'll be the omission of SAtkinson that'll upset everybody. There's obviously something about him that Scenter Betrayal doesn't like and the game against Bristol where he had an off-day will have wiped out the possibility of him getting in by being too consistently good to ignore.

Puja

Agreed again, I hope we’re wrong on this one.