America

[Mikey Brown]

Oh god this Kenosha thing is fucking grim. Feels inevitable though in a horrible way.

[paddy no 11]

ah man thats terrible, RIP

[morepork]

Finding motivation very difficult right now. I think we know who the domestic terrorists really are, and it isn't BLM protestors. Will anything be done about it?

Will it fuck.

[paddy no 11]

17 FFS

[morepork]

It is starting to look like we narrowly avoided a mass shooting here. Another heavily armed right wing nerd with a warped perspective on life.

Fuck. There must be so many of these people out there just willing up the courage to act out some red dawn fantasy.

[Mikey Brown]

More like waiting for the green light in this situation, it seems.



I don’t have a clue how the country actually gets out of this situation.

[Mikey Brown]

I don’t know why I’m still surprised when I see things like this.



Is it robocop where they have something like ‘obey or die’ written on the police cars? They might as well just come out with it at this point and give up this ridiculous facade of passive language.

[paddy no 11]

That's scary - the guy who murdered 2 people was their to resolve the situation, with a gun

Definitely wasn't breaking the curfew himself

[Which Tyler]

So.. Extra judicial execution is a fair and proportionate response for the Crime of "not doing what you're told"

Unless you're being told to wear a mask, of course

[morepork]

That piggy should be stood down. What a piece of shit.


trumpet is planning on visiting there. That should smooth things over. Unfortunately he can't make the time to meet the guy the pigs shot 7 times in the back.



White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany said Monday that President Trump has not yet spoken to members of Jacob Blake’s family, despite the administration attempting to reach out to them.

McEnany said on “Fox & Friends” that Trump is not currently planning to meet with Blake’s family during a trip to Kenosha, Wis., on Tuesday but said that the White House holds the Blake family “close to our hearts.”

“We are efforting outreach, have not been able to connect yet. So tomorrow the plan is so far to go and to meet with law enforcement and to look at the damage from the riots, but we are holding his family close to our hearts,”


Efforting outreach. Go and fuck yourself.

[morepork]

These people are fucking toxic

[Digby]

That piggy should be stood down. What a piece of shit.


trumpet is planning on visiting there. That should smooth things over. Unfortunately he can't make the time to meet the guy the pigs shot 7 times in the back.



White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany said Monday that President Trump has not yet spoken to members of Jacob Blake’s family, despite the administration attempting to reach out to them.

McEnany said on “Fox & Friends” that Trump is not currently planning to meet with Blake’s family during a trip to Kenosha, Wis., on Tuesday but said that the White House holds the Blake family “close to our hearts.”

“We are efforting outreach, have not been able to connect yet. So tomorrow the plan is so far to go and to meet with law enforcement and to look at the damage from the riots, but we are holding his family close to our hearts,”


Efforting outreach. Go and fuck yourself.

Do Blake's family want to meet with Trump?

[morepork]

That piggy should be stood down. What a piece of shit.


trumpet is planning on visiting there. That should smooth things over. Unfortunately he can't make the time to meet the guy the pigs shot 7 times in the back.



White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany said Monday that President Trump has not yet spoken to members of Jacob Blake’s family, despite the administration attempting to reach out to them.

McEnany said on “Fox & Friends” that Trump is not currently planning to meet with Blake’s family during a trip to Kenosha, Wis., on Tuesday but said that the White House holds the Blake family “close to our hearts.”

“We are efforting outreach, have not been able to connect yet. So tomorrow the plan is so far to go and to meet with law enforcement and to look at the damage from the riots, but we are holding his family close to our hearts,”


Efforting outreach. Go and fuck yourself.

Do Blake's family want to meet with Trump?

Highly unlikely, and not the point. The entire situation kicked off because the cops shot a man 7 times in the back and if he is not intending to address why that situation kicked off, let alone support the black community by visiting Blake and acknowledging what happened to him was wrong and avoidable, then why the fuck is he going? Let's see if there is efforting outreach to the white nationalist that crossed the state line to kill two protestors with an assault rifle. I'm not going to indulge any attempt to rationalise why this fat orange racist cock womble might be justified in not visiting the victim.

[Digby]

That piggy should be stood down. What a piece of shit.


trumpet is planning on visiting there. That should smooth things over. Unfortunately he can't make the time to meet the guy the pigs shot 7 times in the back.



White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany said Monday that President Trump has not yet spoken to members of Jacob Blake’s family, despite the administration attempting to reach out to them.

McEnany said on “Fox & Friends” that Trump is not currently planning to meet with Blake’s family during a trip to Kenosha, Wis., on Tuesday but said that the White House holds the Blake family “close to our hearts.”

“We are efforting outreach, have not been able to connect yet. So tomorrow the plan is so far to go and to meet with law enforcement and to look at the damage from the riots, but we are holding his family close to our hearts,”


Efforting outreach. Go and fuck yourself.

Do Blake's family want to meet with Trump?

Highly unlikely, and not the point. The entire situation kicked off because the cops shot a man 7 times in the back and if he is not intending to address why that situation kicked off, let alone support the black community by visiting Blake and acknowledging what happened to him was wrong and avoidable, then why the fuck is he going? Let's see if there is efforting outreach to the white nationalist that crossed the state line to kill two protestors with an assault rifle. I'm not going to indulge any attempt to rationalise why this fat orange racist cock womble might be justified in not visiting the victim.

He's handling this and many other things horrendously, but it is possible neither Blake nor the wider family want to see him, okay that'll be in no small part because he's a shit of a human being, nonetheless it doesn't seem besides the point right now he might not be meeting them because that's what they want. If he's just bottling meeting them, well I shan't think any worse of him at this point

[Puja]

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Puja

[Digby]

Which is fine in part, but also puerile and counter productive in part. I'd also disagree with the assertion persuasion has failed, BAME voting has a lot of headroom to improve and deliver a change in systems across the board.

[Stom]

I’d also argue that many protests don’t go far enough in disruption. Take Belarus. They should be doing the same as the Romanians did in 89, taking Lukaschenko out back and putting an end to it, screw the consequences.

[Sandydragon]

And if those riots hand Trump a victory in November then don’t moan about the lack of improvement in race relations thereafter.

Protestors are fine. Looters are not and the people they are hurting the most aren’t the rich and powerful but ordinary people.

[Sandydragon]

I’d also argue that many protests don’t go far enough in disruption. Take Belarus. They should be doing the same as the Romanians did in 89, taking Lukaschenko out back and putting an end to it, screw the consequences.

There is an alternative to direct action in actual democracies. Belarus has just seen a sham election so I agree there isn’t much else to do in order for change to happen.

It is possible to change leadership peacefully in the US. Rioting is over tome counterproductive.

[Stom]

I’d also argue that many protests don’t go far enough in disruption. Take Belarus. They should be doing the same as the Romanians did in 89, taking Lukaschenko out back and putting an end to it, screw the consequences.

There is an alternative to direct action in actual democracies. Belarus has just seen a sham election so I agree there isn’t much else to do in order for change to happen.

It is possible to change leadership peacefully in the US. Rioting is over tome counterproductive.

I completely disagree. The system is broken in the USA. You can’t fix it from within. You need drastic action from outside.

[Digby]

I’d also argue that many protests don’t go far enough in disruption. Take Belarus. They should be doing the same as the Romanians did in 89, taking Lukaschenko out back and putting an end to it, screw the consequences.

There is an alternative to direct action in actual democracies. Belarus has just seen a sham election so I agree there isn’t much else to do in order for change to happen.

It is possible to change leadership peacefully in the US. Rioting is over tome counterproductive.

I completely disagree. The system is broken in the USA. You can’t fix it from within. You need drastic action from outside.

So white supremacists are free to don pointy white hats and act as they consider necessary to deliver the society they want?

That would be my problem with such thinking, it's not only going to apply to those who protest in a manner you approve of

[morepork]

There is an alternative to direct action in actual democracies. Belarus has just seen a sham election so I agree there isn’t much else to do in order for change to happen.

It is possible to change leadership peacefully in the US. Rioting is over tome counterproductive.

I completely disagree. The system is broken in the USA. You can’t fix it from within. You need drastic action from outside.

So white supremacists are free to don pointy white hats and act as they consider necessary to deliver the society they want?

That would be my problem with such thinking, it's not only going to apply to those who protest in a manner you approve of

Apartheid is a minority opinion and morally indefensible. You seem to not have factored moral obligation into your calculation of what is appropriate.

[Digby]

I completely disagree. The system is broken in the USA. You can’t fix it from within. You need drastic action from outside.

So white supremacists are free to don pointy white hats and act as they consider necessary to deliver the society they want?

That would be my problem with such thinking, it's not only going to apply to those who protest in a manner you approve of

Apartheid is a minority opinion and morally indefensible. You seem to not have factored moral obligation into your calculation of what is appropriate.

Ignoring that white supremacists think they're morally correct so I don't think citing a moral obligation helps much what I think is appropriate is not to have violence in society, it's just an awful lot of people disagree with me. It's possible however a majority of people would agree with me there shouldn't be violent protests, if that's the case and the pro violent protest crowd no matter how large remain a minority would we then agree violent protests are morally indefensible? Still more so when there are alternatives in the USA

[Stom]

So white supremacists are free to don pointy white hats and act as they consider necessary to deliver the society they want?

That would be my problem with such thinking, it's not only going to apply to those who protest in a manner you approve of

Apartheid is a minority opinion and morally indefensible. You seem to not have factored moral obligation into your calculation of what is appropriate.

Ignoring that white supremacists think they're morally correct so I don't think citing a moral obligation helps much what I think is appropriate is not to have violence in society, it's just an awful lot of people disagree with me. It's possible however a majority of people would agree with me there shouldn't be violent protests, if that's the case and the pro violent protest crowd no matter how large remain a minority would we then agree violent protests are morally indefensible? Still more so when there are alternatives in the USA

Firstly, everyone has a limit. It’s called critical mass.

Secondly, what alternatives are there? You’ve seen the reactions of police commissioners and sheriffs. With white suprematists in positions of power, options are definitely limited.

[Digby]

Apartheid is a minority opinion and morally indefensible. You seem to not have factored moral obligation into your calculation of what is appropriate.

Ignoring that white supremacists think they're morally correct so I don't think citing a moral obligation helps much what I think is appropriate is not to have violence in society, it's just an awful lot of people disagree with me. It's possible however a majority of people would agree with me there shouldn't be violent protests, if that's the case and the pro violent protest crowd no matter how large remain a minority would we then agree violent protests are morally indefensible? Still more so when there are alternatives in the USA

Firstly, everyone has a limit. It’s called critical mass.

Secondly, what alternatives are there? You’ve seen the reactions of police commissioners and sheriffs. With white suprematists in positions of power, options are definitely limited.

Options may indeed be limited, but that would be the case on the flip side of massive violent protests. If there was a magic red button to make everything not just ideal but much better I'd opt for that, but I simply don't think there is one, so it's the long slow bore of politics or not a lot as regards moving a society.

Which leaves the option protest peaceably and to vote. Black voting in the USA is around 60% and actually dipped in the 2016 election, that's pretty much on a par with white voting communities overall, and then asian and latino communities come in at around 45% of the electorate actually voting. So there's a huge opportunity to turn out the vote and turn elections the way you want. If you don't like the candidates then join a party, vote for the candidates you do want. And if that fails try again.

But certainly don't vote below 80% and then tell me you've tried everything, you might as well tell me the dog ate your homework.