US Army & CIA War Criminals

[morepork]

I don't know if that chap's holocaust obsession is entirely healthy....

Probably not, though there's no reason for it to be a taboo subject. That is obvious emotional blackmail and an impediment to freedom of speech.

Yes, yes, non-PC is the new PC, blah blah blah...

[rowan]

You're a relic of a bygone era, Morepork

[morepork]

wot do U meen?

[rowan]

Some interesting replies to the Guardian's latest attempt to rehabilitate war criminal G W Bush

[rowan]

Unbelievable

The deaths of 1 million Iraqis, and the staggering madness unleashed by Bush, is brushed aside by the Guardian editors as some historical aberration, another 'past and awkward' chapter in 'overseas adventurism'. Like Blair over Brexit, Bush is now being hailed by the Guardian as a 'welcome voice of reason' against Trump's irrationality.

https://johnhilley.blogspot.com.tr/2017 ... epths.html

[morepork]

Criticisms of the Iraq invasion and of Trump's incompetence need not be mutually exclusive. Insisting on such is not constructive.

[rowan]

Criticisms of the Iraq invasion and of Trump's incompetence need not be mutually exclusive. Insisting on such is not constructive.

I don't think that's the point, really. You wouldn't go ask Ratko Mladic or Charles Taylor for their opinion on Trump - and then publish their views amid glowing praise of their improved moral character. & these guys are small fry compared to Bush & Blair - at least if we're going to use body counts as a gauge.

[morepork]

Criticisms of the Iraq invasion and of Trump's incompetence need not be mutually exclusive. Insisting on such is not constructive.

I don't think that's the point, really. You wouldn't go ask Ratko Mladic or Charles Taylor for their opinion on Trump - and then publish their views amid glowing praise of their improved moral character. & these guys are small fry compared to Bush & Blair - at least if we're going to use body counts as a gauge.

moral equivalence?Really? Trump is a cunt. Bush was a cunt. Blair was a cunt. Can you see that they are all cunts and possibly critique their respective contribution to cuntiness in absolute rather than relative terms?

[morepork]

Criticisms of the Iraq invasion and of Trump's incompetence need not be mutually exclusive. Insisting on such is not constructive.

I don't think that's the point, really. You wouldn't go ask Ratko Mladic or Charles Taylor for their opinion on Trump - and then publish their views amid glowing praise of their improved moral character. & these guys are small fry compared to Bush & Blair - at least if we're going to use body counts as a gauge.

Moral equivalence?Really? Trump is a cunt. Bush is a cunt. Blair is a cunt. Can you see that they are all cunts and possibly critique their respective contribution to cuntiness in absolute rather than relative terms?

[rowan]

Criticisms of the Iraq invasion and of Trump's incompetence need not be mutually exclusive. Insisting on such is not constructive.

I don't think that's the point, really. You wouldn't go ask Ratko Mladic or Charles Taylor for their opinion on Trump - and then publish their views amid glowing praise of their improved moral character. & these guys are small fry compared to Bush & Blair - at least if we're going to use body counts as a gauge.

Moral equivalence?Really? Trump is a cunt. Bush is a cunt. Blair is a cunt. Can you see that they are all cunts and possibly critique their respective contribution to cuntiness in absolute rather than relative terms?

Still missing the point, Morepork. Bush & Blair are war criminals, and so is Obama too. The fact their war criminal nations prevent them ever facing prosecution merely compounds the issue. The amount of PR that has gone into trying to make GW look like anything less than a horrific war criminal since he ignited the ongoing holocaust in Iraq is absurd. & hoisting him aboard the Trump-haters' bandwagon is just another insult to our intelligence and sense of morality - not to mention the memory of his countless victims.

[morepork]

It is literally impossible to have dialogue with you and your one-track conversation. Good fucking luck.

[rowan]

Sounds like a denialist's way of disagreeing, but lacking any rational argument with which to do so.

[morepork]

Exhibit A.

[rowan]

[WaspInWales]

I was a little surprised the video didn't have the title "The truth about Dubya's rebranding'.

That said, I was less surprised to see it presented by 'Truthstream media'

It turns out 'Truthstream media' is really a thing and they somehow seem privy to national secrets and the like, as they are able to offer brief facts on all things.

Praise be.

[morepork]

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[rowan]

I was a little surprised the video didn't have the title "The truth about Dubya's rebranding'.

That said, I was less surprised to see it presented by 'Truthstream media'

It turns out 'Truthstream media' is really a thing and they somehow seem privy to national secrets and the like, as they are able to offer brief facts on all things.

Praise be.

Poor G W. The alternative media has been so unfair to him. I mean, all he did was kill a million people or two and destroy a nation in the process, setting the stage for more wars of a similarly devastating nature throughout the region, culminating in a refugee tidal wave into Europe and all sorts of unpleasant business there. Now Trump on the other hand; he obviously deserves the entirely unprecedented savaging he has received from the mainstream media since becoming president a short time ago, because he has said unkind things about women and Mexicans - and the mainstream media itself, of course...

[rowan]

No surprise here. One of the many reasons I would have been sickened to see Killary become president :

A death squad assassinated Berta Cáceres in La Esperanza, Honduras on March 3, 2016. It’s clear now that state agents killed her and that the United States helped out indirectly.

Cáceres belonged to the Lenca people who, living in southwestern Honduras, are Honduras’ largest indigenous group. As a student in 1993, she co-founded the Civic Council of Popular and Indigenous Movements of Honduras (COPINH in its Spanish initials) to protect her people and advance their rights.

COPINH people in 1994 marched to Tegucigalpa, the Honduran capital. They were demanding self-government for indigenous communities, a ban on logging, and cessation of violence against indigenous people. The government made promises.

Concerned about survival for small farmers and danger from big mining and hydroelectric projects, Berta Cáceres and COPINH opposed free trade agreements between Honduras and either Canada or the United States.

On June 28, 2009, the Honduras military removed President Manuel Zelaya from power. The U. S. government knew in advance about the plans. Zelaya had proposed a minimum wage, advanced land reform, brought Honduras into the progressive ALBA alliance, and introduced the idea of a constituent assembly. Berta Cáceres, with “unheard of courage,” led demonstrations against the illegal government succeeding his.

Continues here: http://www.counterpunch.org/2017/03/09/ ... us-rights/

Also interesting, re JFK v CIA https://wearechange.org/jfks-revenge-wi ... deepstate/

[rowan]

Today is the 49th anniversary of the My Lai Massacre, btw, during which American soldiers brutally slaughtered approximately 500 Vietnamese, including women, children and elderly, raping and mutilating along the way. The subsequent cover-up endured almost a year and went right to the top, while key witnesses receiving death threats and other forms of harrassment, before investigative journalist Seymour Hersh broke the story at the end of 1969. 14 officers were charged, but only 1 convicted. Not a single shot had been fired against the men of Charlie Company.

[rowan]

Doctor Bill Levingston was a 19th century American conman who went about selling snake oil as a cancer cure. He was constantly on the run, unsurprisingly. He abandoned his wife and lived a bigamous life in Canada, spawning a child, but then fled south of the border again after being accused of rape. But he was no doctor, and his real name was not Bill Levingston. He was William Rockefeller, and he proudly taught his sons the tricks of his trade. But John D and his brother William Jr got lucky, stumbling into the emerging oil industry, founding Standard Oil and ranking among the richest men in the world a century ago. What did this newly wealthy family do with its money? Firstly, it funded Eugenics in Germany, involving the sterilization of African and handicapped babies. It also sold oil to the Nazis. While their German business partners were prosecuted after the war, however, the Rockefellers escaped justice. Instead they went on to form the deep state of American politics with other billionares like the Rothschilds to control US foreign policy, and thereby gain control of global finance and resources. The Rockefellers were in league with the Shah of Iran when the CIA overthrew that nation's first democratic government, they supported the Suharto dictatorship during the communist genocide (mostly of Chinese immigrants) in exchange for access to Western Papua and its resources, and Senator Jay Rockefeller (great grandson of John D) supported the genocidal invasion of Iraq. Yesterday the latter's uncle, David Rockefeller (grandson of John D) kicked the bucket at 101. As the saying goes, only the good die young

[rowan]

Doctor Bill Levingston was a 19th century American conman who went about selling snake oil as a cancer cure. He was constantly on the run, unsurprisingly. He abandoned his wife and lived a bigamous life in Canada, spawning a child, but then fled south of the border again after being accused of rape. But he was no doctor, and his real name was not Bill Levingston. He was William Rockefeller, and he proudly taught his sons the tricks of his trade. But John D and his brother William Jr got lucky, stumbling into the emerging oil industry, founding Standard Oil and ranking among the richest men in the world a century ago. What did this newly wealthy family do with its money? Firstly, it funded Eugenics in Germany, involving the sterilization of African and handicapped babies. It also sold oil to the Nazis. While their German business partners were prosecuted after the war, however, the Rockefellers escaped justice. Instead they went on to form the deep state of American politics with other billionares like the Rothschilds to control US foreign policy, and thereby gain control of global finance and resources. The Rockefellers were in league with the Shah of Iran when the CIA overthrew that nation's first democratic government, they supported the Suharto dictatorship during the communist genocide (mostly of Chinese immigrants) in exchange for access to Western Papua and its resources, and Senator Jay Rockefeller (great grandson of John D) supported the genocidal invasion of Iraq. Yesterday the latter's uncle, David Rockefeller (grandson of John D) kicked the bucket at 101. As the saying goes, only the good die young

Interesting article on Davd Rockefeller's involvement in Brazil here: http://www.globalresearch.ca/david-rock ... ry/5580989

The Rockefeller Foundation first arrived in Brazil during World War I and was embedded within the so-called “public health movement” amongst Brazilian elites. At that time, Brazilian eugenics was synonymous with public health and emphasized “hygienization”, expressed in the maxim “to sanitize is to eugenize”. With Rockefeller assistance, the creation of the Eugenic Society of São Paulo in 1918 represented the institutionalization of eugenics in Brazil. Amongst elites, eugenics was associated with evolution, progress and civilization, even treated by some as a ‘new religion’. In “War against the weak” Edwin Black explains that the purpose of the Rockefeller Foundation was to finance programs aimed at “the extermination of those considered degenerate”. In Brazil, this meant the poor, the ignorant, those of mixed race and African descent.

[rowan]

U.S.-led strike kills 230 Mosul civilians; mostly women, children

Mosul - In what could be the deadliest wholesale American slaughter of innocent civilians in decades, some 230 people, mostly women and children, have been killed in an air strike in a crowded residential neighborhood of besieged Mosul, Iraq.
On Thursday, the United Nations warned "the worst is yet to come" as some 400,000 residents remain trapped inside the Islamic State-controlled Old City of western Mosul, facing IS snipers, land mines, food shortages and mounting panic as U.S.-backed Iraqi national forces fight to retake the city that has been under Islamist control for nearly three years.
The worst soon came for hundreds of terrified civilians sheltering in adjoining homes in the city's Jadida neighborhood. According to witnesses, IS snipers took up positions in the buildings, with fighters holding the civilians there as human shields. The Telegraph reports a local resident, who documents life in the embattled city under the Twitter handle MosulEye, said one of the trapped civilians desperately phoned him Wednesday to plead for help, claiming he'd been without food or water for four days.
Instead of delivering help, the coalition delivered death from above on a staggering scale. The Kurdish news agency Rudaw reports 130 people were killed in one single home, while 100 more people perished in another. YouTube channel IR Shia — which may be associated with Islamic State — posted horrific video footage of what it claimed was the deadly attack.
The Independent reports a spokesman for U.S. Central Command (CENTCOM) said Pentagon officials were aware of the loss of life and were "researching" the situation. Iraqi News reports Iraqi military media is accusing IS of fabricating civilian casualty figures and even murdering civilians and then blaming coalition forces. According to the outlet, Iraqi military officials denied killing any civilians, as U.S. forces often initially do in similar situations.
During the 2016 presidential campaign, Donald Trump vowed to "bomb the shit out of" Islamic State and seize Iraq's oil. “I’d blow up every single inch, there would be nothing left,” Trump said in November 2015. “We’ll get Exxon[Mobil] to come in there and in two months… I’ll take the oil.” Trump also promised he would order the killing innocent women and children. "You have to take out their families, when you get these terrorists, you have to take out their families,” Trump said in December 2015. “They care about their lives, don’t kid yourself. When they say they don’t care about their lives, you have to take out their families.”
Earlier this month, the Trump administration said it was moving ahead with plans to make it easier for the military and Central Intelligence Agency to target enemy forces with drones, even if it means more innocent people will be killed. Changes include declaring more places “areas of active hostilities” and granting military and CIA forces greater autonomy to launch strikes without presidential approval in countries including Yemen, Somalia, Iraq, Syria, Libya and Afghanistan. “Some of the Obama administration rules were getting in the way of good strikes,” a U.S. official briefed on the changes told NBC News.
There has been an exponential increase in the killing of innocent civilians in nations targeted by America's war against terrorism since Trump became commander-in-chief. This month alone, several mass casualty events have been reported, including 49 civilians killed when a U.S. air strike hit a mosque in Aleppo province, Syria and 33 civilians killed in an air strike on a school sheltering families near Raqqa, Syria.
In the Trump administration's first major ground raid, dozens of civilians — including an 8-year-old American girl — and a U.S. Navy SEAL were killed in a botched assault on an al-Qaeda compound in Yemen. In February, at least 18 Afghans, mostly women and children, died in a U.S. strike in Helmand province.
But it is in Mosul where U.S. bombs have killed the most innocent people. Earlier this month, the U.K.-based monitor group Airwars said as many as 370 civilians have been killed in at least 11 coalition attacks in and around Mosul. Thousands of Mosul residents have died in the fighting, with hundreds of thousands of more displaced.
While it is extremely difficult to confirm how many people have died in coalition attacks, details from specific events have been corroborated. One of the deadliest incidents occurred when the IS-run Omar al-Aswad mosque, in the al-Faruq district of the old city center, was repeatedly bombed, destroying it as well as nearby homes. The mosque was being used as a shelter for families displaced by the fierce fighting. Ninevah Media Center reported more than 80 civilians were killed or wounded, while Mosul Eye put the number killed at “more than 50.”
According to Airwars, on March 2, several outlets — including IS media — reported 20 civilians were killed in a coalition bombardment in the Shifa neighborhood of western Mosul, while another west Mosul strike, this one in the Nabi Sheet neighborhood, reportedly killed 14 civilians from three families. Two days later, coalition attacks in western Mosul’s Al Mahatta neighborhood reportedly left another 36 civilians dead, including numerous children. The deadliest reported incident in Mosul involving coalition forces prior to the Jadida massacre occurred on March 5 during an attack on a government compound in the Dawassa neighborhood in which as many as 130 civilians were reportedly killed. The following day, dozens of Iraqi police and security officers imprisoned by IS were reportedly killed in coalition air strikes near Mosul’s main train station.
The Pentagon has admitted its forces have killed hundreds of civilians since the U.S. began bombing IS targets in 2014, but human rights and monitor groups accuse Washington of dramatically underreporting the number of Iraqi and Syrian civilians killed during the war. More than 15 years of endless U.S. war in South Asia, the Middle East and North Africa have taken an extremely heavy toll on innocent life. Estimates of the number of people killed during the ongoing war against Islamist terrorism range from the low hundreds of thousands to over 1.3 million.
Since the end of World War II, U.S. military forces have killed more foreign civilians than any other armed force in the world, by far.

http://www.digitaljournal.com/news/worl ... cle/488605

[rowan]

[rowan]

Independently confirmed

Air strikes on Isis-held Mosul 'leave 230 civilians dead', reports local media
US Central Command says it is researching reports of extensive loss of civilian life in third such alleged incident in recent weeks

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 46011.html

Sadly, Trump is following in the footsteps of Obama & Bush, despite his campaign pledge to end the war in Syria

[AL.]

The Great Game, as you state, was about Afghanistan. So how on earth does Russian involvement in that affair put it on the same scale as the British Empire in terms of countries attacked and invaded? Do we see Russian involvement throughout Africa? Do we see it throughout the Americas? Do we see it in Australia and the Pacific Islands?

Countries invaded by Britain (in pink)



Soviet Union (doesn't go beyond Eurasia)



US military bases around the world



Russian military bases around the world



The rest of your post was ad hominems . . .

Someone should tell the Russians and Chinese they have US troops in their country....