Clinton

[morepork]

She should keep it simple, like the Donald. His one-issue campaign is basically wealth English-speaking white males. Fuck everything else. Genius.

How do thick people become so rich?

Rich parents, low inheritance taxes

I recently read that if he'd stuck all of his inheritance in a FTSE tracker fund he'd be a lot richer than he currently is. So, in essence, the self proclaimed business genius has spent decades losing money.

...other people's money.

[morepork]

Exploiting bonkers tax laws by claiming a loss of $900million to avoid paying taxes for a couple of decades.

A true man of the people.

[Donny osmond]

I'm starting to really like him

[Sandydragon]

and he scores again. You want an insight into what it's like being a woman around this cunt, look here:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politic ... -1.2821855

No surprises, "everyone does it" they will say, but fuck me, you can set your clocks back 50 years if this fucking idiot gets anywhere near policy making of any kind. How in the name of Greyskull's septic kok did anyone think this was an appropriate representation of a political philosophy?? When someone like this enjoys so much unfettered access to wealth and power you just know the whole show is FUBAR. The system is run by complete fucktards.

Anyone that paints this as PC gone mad should be marched immediately off to the salt mines.

He's lucky to be born to high wealth parents. If he was born to poorer family he would be a gob shyte trucker moaning about the world in dives in the mid west.

How anyone can regard this fucktard as presidential material is beyond me. I'm no fan of Clinton, but frankly this is no contest.

[Digby]

Exploiting bonkers tax laws by claiming a loss of $900million to avoid paying taxes for a couple of decades.

A true man of the people.

Especially when his giant losses will have represented in part so many unpaid workers/contractors/suppliers. People who have lost their businesses, their homes, had their lives under stress and seen relationships crumble.

Odious wouldn't come close

[Sandydragon]

Exploiting bonkers tax laws by claiming a loss of $900million to avoid paying taxes for a couple of decades.

A true man of the people.

Especially when his giant losses will have represented in part so many unpaid workers/contractors/suppliers. People who have lost their businesses, their homes, had their lives under stress and seen relationships crumble.

Odious wouldn't come close

This is where it gets confusing. Farage had the man of the people thing sewn up despite being comfortable himself. How the hell can Trump even claim to represent the poor in US society when he is for such a privileged background and his only interactions with those at the bottom of the pile have been to somehow screw them over? Yet to look at his followers, they seem to regard him as the next messiah.

The world is truly crazy.

[morepork]

A true man of the people.

Especially when his giant losses will have represented in part so many unpaid workers/contractors/suppliers. People who have lost their businesses, their homes, had their lives under stress and seen relationships crumble.

Odious wouldn't come close

This is where it gets confusing. Farage had the man of the people thing sewn up despite being comfortable himself. How the hell can Trump even claim to represent the poor in US society when he is for such a privileged background and his only interactions with those at the bottom of the pile have been to somehow screw them over? Yet to look at his followers, they seem to regard him as the next messiah.

The world is truly crazy.

- Guns
- Jebus
- a dysfunctional media that paints "businessmen" as unquestionably principled, practical guardians of some mystical superpower that takes precedence over logic, even science (see for example comments about climate change as a conspiracy by liberal academics/the Chinese government, calling Obama a socialist (?!))
- all of the above and more that takes advantage of the uneducated and ill informed by stoking the fires of hate and prejudice to detract from failings of a corrupt system (no income tax for 18 years for a rich prick FFS)

When clarity on the issue of inequality, which like it or not is the issue of our times, is provided to these poor pawns, things will change.

[Sandydragon]

I think a hatred of the establishment is playing large in this as well. We say it here with Brexit, trump is benefitting from those who feel left behind.

FWIW, I'm with you on the issue of inequality, although I suspect we differ on what that means and how to treat it, but that is probably a separate thread.

[morepork]

I think a hatred of the establishment is playing large in this as well. We say it here with Brexit, trump is benefitting from those who feel left behind.

FWIW, I'm with you on the issue of inequality, although I suspect we differ on what that means and how to treat it, but that is probably a separate thread.

Indeed, fiend. Such is the nature of informed discourse. Unfortunately, over here it's "they want to take your guns!". You should see some of the campaign adds in different states. Kansas has a pearler that has a black and white factual rendering of a poor attractive white woman being disturbed by a commotion downstairs at four in the morning. If you vote for the democrat candidate, that woman gets violated because the gummint has taken away your rocket launcher. Cruz had some beauties in the south that were based on the book of revelation.

[Sandydragon]

I think a hatred of the establishment is playing large in this as well. We say it here with Brexit, trump is benefitting from those who feel left behind.

FWIW, I'm with you on the issue of inequality, although I suspect we differ on what that means and how to treat it, but that is probably a separate thread.

Indeed, fiend. Such is the nature of informed discourse. Unfortunately, over here it's "they want to take your guns!". You should see some of the campaign adds in different states. Kansas has a pearler that has a black and white factual rendering of a poor attractive white woman being disturbed by a commotion downstairs at four in the morning. If you vote for the democrat candidate, that woman gets violated because the gummint has taken away your rocket launcher. Cruz had some beauties in the south that were based on the book of revelation.

I think we may be starting to catch up. Much of qth debate over here now seems to be impossible without significant amounts of abuse and hyperbole.

[Sandydragon]

I remember some of th political adds from my last few visits to the states. You do have some genuinely funny ones, but most are pretty cringeworthy if not downright concerning.

[rowan]

Jeez, when will this total mess ever end??

Around 55 people were killed in Iraq in attacks on Saturday that targeted a Shi'ite Muslim gathering, a police check-point and the family of a Sunni paramilitary leader opposed to Islamic State, according to security and medical sources.

The escalation comes as Iraqi forces are getting ready to launch an offensive to take back Mosul, the last Iraqi city still under control of Islamic State, in northern Iraq.

The heaviest toll was caused by a suicide bomber who detonated an explosive vest in the middle of a Shi'ite gathering in Baghdad, killing at least 41 people and wounding 33.

The explosion went off inside a tent filled with people taking part in Shi'ite Ashura rituals, which mourn the killing of Prophet Mohammad's grandson Hussein in the 7th century.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-midea ... SKBN12F06W

[rowan]

Just keep talking about Trump everybody:

Julian Assange, the founder of WikiLeaks, is a controversial character. But there’s no denying the emails he has picked up from inside the Democrat Party are real, and he’s willing to expose Hillary Clinton.

Now, he’s announcing that Hillary Clinton and her State Department were actively arming Islamic jihadists, which includes the Islamic State (ISIS) in Syria.

Clinton has repeatedly denied these claims, including during multiple statements while under oath in front of the United States Senate.

Read more: http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/wiki ... z4NKZzm0BH

Meanwhile: Bernie was paid off: http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/wikil ... t-hillary/

& the Trump scandals are coming apart at the seams: http://people.com/celebrity/donald-trum ... s-article/

http://truthfeed.com/busted-fake-trump- ... lie/29309/

http://truthfeed.com/busted-fake-trump- ... nds/29355/

[rowan]

What's really scary is that many people who know full well that Clinton is a war criminal are going to vote for her regardless - because they actually just don't care:

"Perhaps the crowning disaster of this long list of disasters has been Hillary's relentless promotion of CIA-led regime change in Syria. Once again Hillary bought into the CIA propaganda that regime change to remove Bashir al-Assad would be quick, costless, and surely successful. In August 2011, Hillary led the US into disaster with her declaration Assad must "get out of the way," backed by secret CIA operations."

http://www.medialens.org/index.php/aler ... inton.html

What the Trump charade is designed to distract you from:

http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/10/17/ ... all-along/

[morepork]

They are cutting off damaging data. Paid speeches to Goldman Sachs. Classy.

The big issue here is, what is a bloke that is confined to a single building supposed to wanch to if they cut his interwebs off?

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-37680411

[kk67]

There's a Paxman documentary about Clinton v Trump on bbc1 tonight. Should be interesting,....even if he is a tired old reactionary, establishment flunky.

[morepork]

There's a Paxman documentary about Clinton v Trump on bbc1 tonight. Should be interesting,....even if he is a tired old reactionary, establishment flunky.

No, no. Hillary is an actual woman.

[kk67]

There's a Paxman documentary about Clinton v Trump on bbc1 tonight. Should be interesting,....even if he is a tired old reactionary, establishment flunky.

No, no. Hillary is an actual woman.

lol,......no signs of early onset dementia here.

[rowan]

Nobody is actually stupid enough to have been duped by this ridiculous charade. They believe it because they want to believe it. Those who appear to have been duped are actually fully aware of Clinton's war crimes, including arming terrorists, but they really don't care; that's the bottom line; and thus prefer to talk about allegations of sexual harrassment against an obvious actor, regardless how tenuous, because they are simply more comfortable with this.

It is fortunate for Saudi Arabia and Qatar that the furore over the sexual antics of Donald Trump is preventing much attention being given to the latest batch of leaked emails to and from Hillary Clinton. Most fascinating of these is what reads like a US State Department memo, dated 17 August 2014, on the appropriate US response to the rapid advance of Isis forces, which were then sweeping through northern Iraq and eastern Syria.

http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/10/17/ ... all-along/

[Edinburgh in Exile]

Nobody is actually stupid enough to have been duped by this ridiculous charade. They believe it because they want to believe it. Those who appear to have been duped are actually fully aware of Clinton's war crimes, including arming terrorists, but they really don't care; that's the bottom line; and thus prefer to talk about allegations of sexual harrassment against an obvious actor, regardless how tenuous, because they are simply more comfortable with this.

It is fortunate for Saudi Arabia and Qatar that the furore over the sexual antics of Donald Trump is preventing much attention being given to the latest batch of leaked emails to and from Hillary Clinton. Most fascinating of these is what reads like a US State Department memo, dated 17 August 2014, on the appropriate US response to the rapid advance of Isis forces, which were then sweeping through northern Iraq and eastern Syria.

http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/10/17/ ... all-along/

Forgive me if is is off the mark, but aren't you the same cat that shits on about presidents being puppets and having no power whatsoever.

Surely, this all means fuck all then?

[rowan]

Nobody is actually stupid enough to have been duped by this ridiculous charade. They believe it because they want to believe it. Those who appear to have been duped are actually fully aware of Clinton's war crimes, including arming terrorists, but they really don't care; that's the bottom line; and thus prefer to talk about allegations of sexual harrassment against an obvious actor, regardless how tenuous, because they are simply more comfortable with this.

It is fortunate for Saudi Arabia and Qatar that the furore over the sexual antics of Donald Trump is preventing much attention being given to the latest batch of leaked emails to and from Hillary Clinton. Most fascinating of these is what reads like a US State Department memo, dated 17 August 2014, on the appropriate US response to the rapid advance of Isis forces, which were then sweeping through northern Iraq and eastern Syria.

http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/10/17/ ... all-along/

Forgive me if is is off the mark, but aren't you the same cat that shits on about presidents being puppets and having no power whatsoever.

Surely, this all means fuck all then?

The idea of the president being a puppet is hardly my own, Ed. It's been expounded by some of the most respected political analysts in the world. Noam Chomsky was particularly adamant George W Bush was never involved in policy-making during his two terms in office, for example. But did that stop Chomsky (and countless other political analysts) from blasting GW as a war criminal? Of course not. He was part of the process, even if he wasn't calling the shots. & Hillary Clinton is certainly much more involved in the sordid business of war crimes than Bush ever was. Presidents are more spokespersons than politicians, that's for sure, and Obama was pretty much 100% the former. George Bush Senior, on the other hand, was probably about 50/50. It varies from one president to the next, obviously. So it's a generalization that you have eagerly seized upon in your attempt to whitewash Clinton's well-documented war-crimes, which include complicity in the bombing of Libya and murder of its leader, her support for a coup and brutal dictatorship in Honduras which recently claimed the life of native feminist activist Berta Caceres, her support for the genocidal invasion of Iraq, her support for South Sudan against the north in spite of the use of child soldiers, her blind support for Israel - of course, and her involvement in selling arms to Saudi Arabia, some of which have been used to carry out war crimes in Yemen and elsewhere, and some of which have ended up in the hands of ISIS and other terrorists. & now, of course, she is talking about a no-fly zone in Syria and removing Assad, which could easily lead to WWIII with Russia. She has done all of this in accordance with the wishes of her masters on Wall Street, of course, and she will continue to serve their needs when she takes over the presidency, as was arranged by the deep state many years ago. But what's a few million more deaths in the Middle East to privileged white folks in North America and Europe? They're more comfortable talking about the Trump charade.

[Edinburgh in Exile]

Nobody is actually stupid enough to have been duped by this ridiculous charade. They believe it because they want to believe it. Those who appear to have been duped are actually fully aware of Clinton's war crimes, including arming terrorists, but they really don't care; that's the bottom line; and thus prefer to talk about allegations of sexual harrassment against an obvious actor, regardless how tenuous, because they are simply more comfortable with this.

It is fortunate for Saudi Arabia and Qatar that the furore over the sexual antics of Donald Trump is preventing much attention being given to the latest batch of leaked emails to and from Hillary Clinton. Most fascinating of these is what reads like a US State Department memo, dated 17 August 2014, on the appropriate US response to the rapid advance of Isis forces, which were then sweeping through northern Iraq and eastern Syria.

http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/10/17/ ... all-along/

Forgive me if is is off the mark, but aren't you the same cat that shits on about presidents being puppets and having no power whatsoever.

Surely, this all means fuck all then?

The idea of the president being a puppet is hardly my own, Ed. It's been expounded by some of the most respected political analysts in the world. Noam Chomsky was particularly adamant George W Bush was never involved in policy-making during his two terms in office, for example. But did that stop Chomsky (and countless other political analysts) from blasting GW as a war criminal? Of course not. He was part of the process, even if he wasn't calling the shots. & Hillary Clinton is certainly much more involved in the sordid business of war crimes than Bush ever was. Presidents are more spokespersons than politicians, that's for sure, and Obama was pretty much 100% the former. George Bush Senior, on the other hand, was probably about 50/50. It varies from one president to the next, obviously. So it's a generalization that you have eagerly seized upon in your attempt to whitewash Clinton's well-documented war-crimes, which include complicity in the bombing of Libya and murder of its leader, her support for a coup and brutal dictatorship in Honduras which recently claimed the life of native feminist activist Berta Caceres, her support for the genocidal invasion of Iraq, her support for South Sudan against the north in spite of the use of child soldiers, her blind support for Israel - of course, and her involvement in selling arms to Saudi Arabia, some of which have been used to carry out war crimes in Yemen and elsewhere, and some of which have ended up in the hands of ISIS and other terrorists. & now, of course, she is talking about a no-fly zone in Syria and removing Assad, which could easily lead to WWIII with Russia. She has done all of this in accordance with the wishes of her masters on Wall Street, of course, and she will continue to serve their needs when she takes over the presidency, as was arranged by the deep state many years ago. But what's a few million more deaths in the Middle East to privileged white folks in North America and Europe? They're more comfortable talking about the Trump charade.

Can you point out which one of my posts you are referring to?

[rowan]

Forgive me if is is off the mark, but aren't you the same cat that shits on about presidents being puppets and having no power whatsoever.

Surely, this all means fuck all then?

The idea of the president being a puppet is hardly my own, Ed. It's been expounded by some of the most respected political analysts in the world. Noam Chomsky was particularly adamant George W Bush was never involved in policy-making during his two terms in office, for example. But did that stop Chomsky (and countless other political analysts) from blasting GW as a war criminal? Of course not. He was part of the process, even if he wasn't calling the shots. & Hillary Clinton is certainly much more involved in the sordid business of war crimes than Bush ever was. Presidents are more spokespersons than politicians, that's for sure, and Obama was pretty much 100% the former. George Bush Senior, on the other hand, was probably about 50/50. It varies from one president to the next, obviously. So it's a generalization that you have eagerly seized upon in your attempt to whitewash Clinton's well-documented war-crimes, which include complicity in the bombing of Libya and murder of its leader, her support for a coup and brutal dictatorship in Honduras which recently claimed the life of native feminist activist Berta Caceres, her support for the genocidal invasion of Iraq, her support for South Sudan against the north in spite of the use of child soldiers, her blind support for Israel - of course, and her involvement in selling arms to Saudi Arabia, some of which have been used to carry out war crimes in Yemen and elsewhere, and some of which have ended up in the hands of ISIS and other terrorists. & now, of course, she is talking about a no-fly zone in Syria and removing Assad, which could easily lead to WWIII with Russia. She has done all of this in accordance with the wishes of her masters on Wall Street, of course, and she will continue to serve their needs when she takes over the presidency, as was arranged by the deep state many years ago. But what's a few million more deaths in the Middle East to privileged white folks in North America and Europe? They're more comfortable talking about the Trump charade.

Can you point out which one of my posts you are referring to?

Your last one sure looked that way...

[Edinburgh in Exile]

The idea of the president being a puppet is hardly my own, Ed. It's been expounded by some of the most respected political analysts in the world. Noam Chomsky was particularly adamant George W Bush was never involved in policy-making during his two terms in office, for example. But did that stop Chomsky (and countless other political analysts) from blasting GW as a war criminal? Of course not. He was part of the process, even if he wasn't calling the shots. & Hillary Clinton is certainly much more involved in the sordid business of war crimes than Bush ever was. Presidents are more spokespersons than politicians, that's for sure, and Obama was pretty much 100% the former. George Bush Senior, on the other hand, was probably about 50/50. It varies from one president to the next, obviously. So it's a generalization that you have eagerly seized upon in your attempt to whitewash Clinton's well-documented war-crimes, which include complicity in the bombing of Libya and murder of its leader, her support for a coup and brutal dictatorship in Honduras which recently claimed the life of native feminist activist Berta Caceres, her support for the genocidal invasion of Iraq, her support for South Sudan against the north in spite of the use of child soldiers, her blind support for Israel - of course, and her involvement in selling arms to Saudi Arabia, some of which have been used to carry out war crimes in Yemen and elsewhere, and some of which have ended up in the hands of ISIS and other terrorists. & now, of course, she is talking about a no-fly zone in Syria and removing Assad, which could easily lead to WWIII with Russia. She has done all of this in accordance with the wishes of her masters on Wall Street, of course, and she will continue to serve their needs when she takes over the presidency, as was arranged by the deep state many years ago. But what's a few million more deaths in the Middle East to privileged white folks in North America and Europe? They're more comfortable talking about the Trump charade.

Can you point out which one of my posts you are referring to?

Your last one sure looked that way...

Haha, it's not even close. Stop wildly flailing at everything you see. I honestly couldn't give a fuck about either of the pricks, just thought it was odd that Obama is an irrelevance yet, before time, you seem adamant that Clinton or Trump won't be.

[rowan]

Can you point out which one of my posts you are referring to?

Your last one sure looked that way...

Haha, it's not even close. Stop wildly flailing at everything you see. I honestly couldn't give a fuck about either of the pricks, just thought it was odd that Obama is an irrelevance yet, before time, you seem adamant that Clinton or Trump won't be.

What's really odd is that I've made the very same point myself a number of times, long before you got around to it. The common tactic here being to shut down unwanted debate with hostile attacks on the messenger, I interpreted it in that light.