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This is hopeful - Biden planning to reform the Supreme Court :

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/art ... us-supreme

Whether any of it is achievable now or if it's more about creating a point of difference for the election I don't know.
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Which Tyler wrote: Sat Jul 27, 2024 10:42 am
I read it. Then played the video because I was sure it wouldn't be what he said. Then I played it again, cause I must've misheard it. Then I asked a friend sitting next to me if it was correct. She asked me to read the text out loud, cause she was sure he couldn't possibly have said that.

Jesus H Fuck. It's not even saying the quiet bit out loud any more - this is just the loud bit now.

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It’s so ridiculous that it’s kind of hard to comprehend. I guess he’s seriously feeling the heat at this point and lunging towards a fundamentalist Christian dictatorship seems like a decent gamble.

Obviously he is completely fucking insane, but does he say “I love you Christians, I’m not Christian”? It’s so hard to decipher which things he says by accident and which are because he just doesn’t care or know any better.
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This has to be good for the Dems. Sure, it won't bother Trump fans, but for the undecided - vote now, you won't have to vote again?? We're planning something so irreversible that you won't need or won't be able to vote ever again??? Surely not that appealing to undecideds?

Trump is writing the Democrats' ads for them.
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Mikey Brown wrote: Sat Jul 27, 2024 1:50 pm It’s so ridiculous that it’s kind of hard to comprehend. I guess he’s seriously feeling the heat at this point and lunging towards a fundamentalist Christian dictatorship seems like a decent gamble.

Obviously he is completely fucking insane, but does he say “I love you Christians, I’m not Christian”? It’s so hard to decipher which things he says by accident and which are because he just doesn’t care or know any better.
I assumed he said 'I'm a Christian' but I agree, it's not very clear. It's just that 'I'm not Christian' would be insane, right? Oh yeah :| .
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The Christian fundamentalists have baked in Trumps erm unbiblical life cycle. I don’t think him admitting he isn’t a Christian will shock or surprise anyone.

But I do agree that anyone who actually wants a democracy in the US should be taking notice of this and taking it seriously.
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This is quite a list (article from last year) - 24 former Trump allies and aides who turned against him:

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/03/poli ... index.html
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Son of Mathonwy wrote: Sat Jul 27, 2024 10:16 pm This is quite a list (article from last year) - 24 former Trump allies and aides who turned against him:

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/03/poli ... index.html
Sadly Elon Musk isn’t on that list.
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Sandydragon wrote: Sun Jul 28, 2024 9:27 am
Son of Mathonwy wrote: Sat Jul 27, 2024 10:16 pm This is quite a list (article from last year) - 24 former Trump allies and aides who turned against him:

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/03/poli ... index.html
Sadly Elon Musk isn’t on that list.
He's never had to work under Trump.

I guess he's taking a chance that Trump will not go full-Führer and expropriate Tesla and Twitter off him,.
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Son of Mathonwy wrote: Sun Jul 28, 2024 9:52 am
Sandydragon wrote: Sun Jul 28, 2024 9:27 am
Son of Mathonwy wrote: Sat Jul 27, 2024 10:16 pm This is quite a list (article from last year) - 24 former Trump allies and aides who turned against him:

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/03/poli ... index.html
Sadly Elon Musk isn’t on that list.
He's never had to work under Trump.

I guess he's taking a chance that Trump will not go full-Führer and expropriate Tesla and Twitter off him,.
That would be karma I suppose although a very small lining to a horribly big grey cloud
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Son of Mathonwy wrote: Sat Jul 27, 2024 9:55 am This is hopeful - Biden planning to reform the Supreme Court :

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/art ... us-supreme

Whether any of it is achievable now or if it's more about creating a point of difference for the election I don't know.
None of it is achievable now. If the K-hive wasn't kicking ass and taking names they might have been able to get the constitutional amendment across the line to confirm Presidents were not immune because Trump would be president then self-pardon then dead and they would be salivating over prosecuting Biden.
Sandydragon wrote: Fri Jul 26, 2024 4:08 pm
paddy no 11 wrote: Fri Jul 26, 2024 11:57 am
Puja wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 9:12 am Can he be fired? I thought once he was nominated and confirmed, he had to be on the ticket?

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Apparently some guy in the 70's got dropped as he hadn't declared he had electro shock therapy
Last week we were arguing over whether anyone could replace Biden at this stage. Turns out that someone could. I suspect if Trump really wanted to, Vance would be drop kicked off the ticket.
He'd have to go back to the RNC and get the rules changed to get a do-over. In theory that's difficult. In practice the RNC is run by his daughter-in-law and will do whatever he wants.
Sandydragon wrote: Fri Jul 26, 2024 10:35 am The speed at which Team Harris has moved is incredible. She is a good political operator, but I cant believe that she went from a standing start when Biden's withdrawal letter hit social media to 100mph that quickly. at the very least, her team was prepped and ready to go (which could have been good contingency planning I suppose) but I get the sense they knew in advance and also that Biden would endorse her.

But that's not a stitch-up where this was always the plan. What they have done is very high risk and I genuinely believe Biden felt he was the best person to beat Trump.
She has basically adopted the entire of Biden's machine. They are all good political operators. They just didn't have a candidate who could do messaging and performing. I also think Biden was too fond of believing in the innate goodness of Americans and so his messaging (such as it was) was all on democracy when there's almost certainly a solid 35% of Americans who couldn't give a monkey's if America became an autocracy and yet more who are perfectly comfortable with denying people from the other side the vote.
I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person.

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Ha!
A fundraiser for Kamala Harris was held on Twitter (ETA, sorry, it was a youtube fundraiser hosted and promoted by a twitter account). They raised $4M, then Elon closed them down. After tonnes of complaints to Elon personally, he reinstalls the host account

He's such a child


https://variety.com/2024/digital/news/e ... 236089959/
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Eugene Wrayburn wrote: Wed Jul 31, 2024 12:52 am
Son of Mathonwy wrote: Sat Jul 27, 2024 9:55 am This is hopeful - Biden planning to reform the Supreme Court :

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/art ... us-supreme

Whether any of it is achievable now or if it's more about creating a point of difference for the election I don't know.
None of it is achievable now. If the K-hive wasn't kicking ass and taking names they might have been able to get the constitutional amendment across the line to confirm Presidents were not immune because Trump would be president then self-pardon then dead and they would be salivating over prosecuting Biden.
To be honest, any reform which requires a constitutional amendment is impossible without bipartisan agreement and that's almost inconceivable re the Supreme Court.

Re presidential immunity, bipartisan agreement is not utterly out of the question in sane times (or with the Republican party of a few decades ago perhaps). But now, as they fall over each other to abase themselves before King Trump, loyalty to the constitution is like some dream from a better time.
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Which Tyler wrote: Wed Jul 31, 2024 9:59 am
In our mildly Christian, generally Protestant country it's easy to forget how deeply the Catholic Church has fucked up the US.
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/art ... rump-weird

I think it's a good strategy. A complicated message about threats to democracy and Project 2025 can bounce off and is easily refuted by Trump lying and denying, but "These guys and their priorities are fucking weird" will stick, especially when any response arguing that they're not just makes them look more weird.

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Yeah it’s funny watching Harris be such a smug twat, but simultaneously be completely on board with it. This is great.

Goading Trump by calling him a coward is probably quite a good strategy.
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Son of Mathonwy wrote: Wed Jul 31, 2024 10:05 am
Which Tyler wrote: Wed Jul 31, 2024 9:59 am
In our mildly Christian, generally Protestant country it's easy to forget how deeply the Catholic Church has fucked up the US.
I'd blame Puritans personally.
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Mikey Brown wrote: Wed Jul 31, 2024 11:37 am Yeah it’s funny watching Harris be such a smug twat, but simultaneously be completely on board with it. This is great.

Goading Trump by calling him a coward is probably quite a good strategy.
Totally. Pass the popcorn.
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Sandydragon wrote: Wed Jul 31, 2024 3:07 pm
Son of Mathonwy wrote: Wed Jul 31, 2024 10:05 am
Which Tyler wrote: Wed Jul 31, 2024 9:59 am
In our mildly Christian, generally Protestant country it's easy to forget how deeply the Catholic Church has fucked up the US.
I'd blame Puritans personally.
Actually, I take it back. The story of how the US got so fucked up by religion is a complex one:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_ ... ted_States

Obviously Catholicism has played its part but it looks like Evangelical Protestantism is the biggest culprit.
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The Dems need Trump in front of the camera. What an imbecile. Surely he can't win, America please!

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c06k07dn1zjo

Full video is on youtube here:

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Oh my God, he is such a cunt. "She became black". She is not a fucking axolotl you fetid Yak's pizzle. Just a constant, never ending catalogue of personal grievance set to an air accordion. How aggressively vanilla is it possible to get?

NABJ has much better music than the RNC.
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Unfortunately, for myself, I watched the whole interview. He has a bit of a comeback (by Trump standards). Reporters need to fuck him up. It's the same here in Canada, politicians are getting away with murder by talking around shit. Someone put a bic to his wick.
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He feels pretty comfortable bullying black women. And, like a depressing number of white Americans, he was clueless about the voter registration act. Harris is going be in Philly Tuesday next week. I loathe the circus of political campaigning but I might go along. Hopefully I won’t get shot or suffer Macho Man blaring out on the speakers.

Fuck me I’ve never seen someone whine victim so much.

Edit: to an actual victimised audience.
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