America

[Zhivago]

Anyone with half a brain will see that was a genuine attempt. Even a puff of wind would have made that fatal and does anyone really think Trump would risk that?

I agree with Puja. It’s easy look
Brave when the gunman is dead and you have dozens of armed police and secret service covering you.

I suspect there will be accusations of a plant etc. the secret service will be even more paranoid around Biden now, and they are pretty paranoid at the best of times.

I also suspect this will help trumps polling. Sadly

Probably a puff of wind saved Trump's life. Definitely a real attempt.

[Sandydragon]

Apparently the assassin couldn’t get into the school shooting team through lack of ability.

This does demonstrate the need to take some of the edge off political discourse. Tone some of the rhetoric down. Except it’s hard to do that when Trump is literally boasting about being a dictator on day one and has a plan to undermine democracy.

It’s going to cause a real dilemma for the Democrats. If they keep up the attacks on trumps character, plans and ability it’s likely to be accused of inciting further attacks. If they don’t they lose badly. I think the only hope now is to switch candidates and grab the media attention back in a positive way. The assassination attempt has grabbed the entire media focus and given Biden some cover from the too old accusations.

[Sandydragon]

Meanwhile, Marjorie Taylor Green has gone full bore on C claiming this is what the democrats wanted and that the left want a civil war.

I appreciate she is well to the right of the Republican Party but I doubt she will be a lone voice here.

[Son of Mathonwy]

Maybe the Republicans will call for stronger gun control.

Only kidding.

But Jesus, this is bad news, very helpful for Trump, directly and also because it takes the attention away from Democratic pressure building up on Biden to step down. They need to ignore this and keep up the pressure.

Or who knows, Shinzo Abe getting blasted with a home-made shotgun in Nara was one of the worst things to happen to the ruling LDP in Japan.

I wouldn't be surprised if we start hearing a lot about how the shooter was a registered Republican.

Yeah, the silver lining is that the guy was a Republican. That will allow the Democrat's candidate (please, not Biden) to turn the Republicans' blame tactics back on them.

[Puja]

Maybe the Republicans will call for stronger gun control.

Only kidding.

But Jesus, this is bad news, very helpful for Trump, directly and also because it takes the attention away from Democratic pressure building up on Biden to step down. They need to ignore this and keep up the pressure.

Or who knows, Shinzo Abe getting blasted with a home-made shotgun in Nara was one of the worst things to happen to the ruling LDP in Japan.

I wouldn't be surprised if we start hearing a lot about how the shooter was a registered Republican.

Yeah, the silver lining is that the guy was a Republican. That will allow the Democrat's candidate (please, not Biden) to turn the Republicans' blame tactics back on them.

Frankly, I'm just glad that he appears to be white, Christian, straight, cis, and male. Just imagine if he had been any kind of minority.

Puja

[Sandydragon]

Or who knows, Shinzo Abe getting blasted with a home-made shotgun in Nara was one of the worst things to happen to the ruling LDP in Japan.

I wouldn't be surprised if we start hearing a lot about how the shooter was a registered Republican.

Yeah, the silver lining is that the guy was a Republican. That will allow the Democrat's candidate (please, not Biden) to turn the Republicans' blame tactics back on them.

Frankly, I'm just glad that he appears to be white, Christian, straight, cis, and male. Just imagine if he had been any kind of minority.

Puja

It's got the potential to be bad enough if the Republicans can convince enough people that Biden is to blame. Most of the MAGA lot will believe anything and I hope Trump can restrain himself (even if some of the MAGA acolytes can't, or won't). But I agree, it would be beyond bad if the shooter had turned out to be any kind of minority.

[morepork]

Meanwhile, Marjorie Taylor Green has gone full bore on C claiming this is what the democrats wanted and that the left want a civil war.

I appreciate she is well to the right of the Republican Party but I doubt she will be a lone voice here.

Jesus, talk about projection...this is the person that posted an online campaign add promising to "blow away socialism" and shot a Prius labelled "socialism" with a 50 Cal and had social media posts supporting the execution of democrats.

[paddy no 11]

Classified documents case thrown out, its all coming up Don

[morepork]

Another domino falls. Kindy Judy-Karen is emboldened beyond her experience and remit. If the Georgia electoral interference case goes down the same path the republic is in dire straits. History in the making but I find it hard to muster enthusiasm for being in the thick of it. Thank fuck for the civil rights act. Last barrier standing soon.

[Sandydragon]

Meanwhile, Marjorie Taylor Green has gone full bore on C claiming this is what the democrats wanted and that the left want a civil war.

I appreciate she is well to the right of the Republican Party but I doubt she will be a lone voice here.

Jesus, talk about projection...this is the person that posted an online campaign add promising to "blow away socialism" and shot a Prius labelled "socialism" with a 50 Cal and had social media posts supporting the execution of democrats.

To British eyes she is absurd. Does she have more credibility in the US?

[Sandydragon]

Classified documents case thrown out, its all coming up Don

Ah yes, the judge appointed by Trump. I think this was inevitable and she obviously thinks there won’t be blowback due to a likely Trump win later this year.

It’s not a good look for the US. Hopefully the Georgia case continues although the prosecutors are doing their best to screw that up.

[Puja]

Classified documents case thrown out, its all coming up Don

Ah yes, the judge appointed by Trump. I think this was inevitable and she obviously thinks there won’t be blowback due to a likely Trump win later this year.

It’s not a good look for the US. Hopefully the Georgia case continues although the prosecutors are doing their best to screw that up.

Saw this in an article and it makes a lot of sense:

Tribe said he expected any Smith appeal to include a request for Cannon to be removed from the case, but added she might already be looking at a different appointment.

“Her position, among other things, the fact that she took so long to decide this issue even though it was before her four months, indicates that it’s calculated simply to serve as a kind of dress rehearsal, or job application when Justice [Samuel] Alito or Justice Thomas decided to retire from the supreme court,” he said.

“She clearly is auditioning to be the first appointment of a new Trump administration. It doesn’t speak well for her as a neutral jurist, but the ruling doesn’t exactly surprise me because she has slow-walked this case to death from the start.”

It's not that she doesn't think there'll be blowback; it's a job interview. Given Trump's sole criteria is loyalty, rather than experience or capability, I'd say it's one that she's acing.

Puja

[Sandydragon]

Classified documents case thrown out, its all coming up Don

Ah yes, the judge appointed by Trump. I think this was inevitable and she obviously thinks there won’t be blowback due to a likely Trump win later this year.

It’s not a good look for the US. Hopefully the Georgia case continues although the prosecutors are doing their best to screw that up.

Saw this in an article and it makes a lot of sense:

Tribe said he expected any Smith appeal to include a request for Cannon to be removed from the case, but added she might already be looking at a different appointment.

“Her position, among other things, the fact that she took so long to decide this issue even though it was before her four months, indicates that it’s calculated simply to serve as a kind of dress rehearsal, or job application when Justice [Samuel] Alito or Justice Thomas decided to retire from the supreme court,” he said.

“She clearly is auditioning to be the first appointment of a new Trump administration. It doesn’t speak well for her as a neutral jurist, but the ruling doesn’t exactly surprise me because she has slow-walked this case to death from the start.”

It's not that she doesn't think there'll be blowback; it's a job interview. Given Trump's sole criteria is loyalty, rather than experience or capability, I'd say it's one that she's acing.

Puja

Entirely plausible. If Trump wins then she won’t get fired and might get promoted. Any appeal will surely take longer than the time left before the election.

Of course if Biden wins then she might be in the shyte. But it must seem a reasonable risk for her given that this was seen as a strong case and she has totally derailed it from day one.

[Son of Mathonwy]

Another domino falls. Kindy Judy-Karen is emboldened beyond her experience and remit. If the Georgia electoral interference case goes down the same path the republic is in dire straits. History in the making but I find it hard to muster enthusiasm for being in the thick of it. Thank fuck for the civil rights act. Last barrier standing soon.

I'm sure it's on their list.

[Sandydragon]

‘We’re not gonna take it anymore’. Even the more reasonable republicans seem to be buying into this victim hood narrative. The attempted assassination was the result of the Democrats constantly going after Trump.

The logic here is totally fucked up. But I still can’t see how the Dems can counter it at the moment without a radical reset.

[Son of Mathonwy]

‘We’re not gonna take it anymore’. Even the more reasonable republicans seem to be buying into this victim hood narrative. The attempted assassination was the result of the Democrats constantly going after Trump.

The logic here is totally fucked up. But I still can’t see how the Dems can counter it at the moment without a radical reset.

We have to be thankful that a) the shooter was a white, straight, male etc Republican, and b) Trump isn't actually President right now, otherwise this could be a Reichstag Fire moment for the US. As it is, if he takes power he could still use it as an excuse to dial up the police state. - impose whatever restrictions he feels would be helpful to him. Perhaps on political rivals.

[Mikey Brown]

I'm not posting this simply as a 'gotcha' against Trump, it's always been more than clear he couldn't give less of a shit about any of his supporters, but the language used is sort of fascinating.

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-j ... ly-1925577

The widow of Corey Comperatore, the heroic volunteer firefighter killed while shielding his family during the shooting at a Donald Trump campaign rally, said that the former president has not reached out to the grieving family.

The silence from Trump contrasts with an attempted call from President Joe Biden, which the Comperatore family declined. Helen Comperatore, speaking from her home in Sarver, Pennsylvania, told the New York Post in an exclusive interview, "I didn't talk to Biden. I didn't want to talk to him," adding, "My husband was a devout Republican and he would not have wanted me to talk to him."

[Sandydragon]

I'm not posting this simply as a 'gotcha' against Trump, it's always been more than clear he couldn't give less of a shit about any of his supporters, but the language used is sort of fascinating.

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-j ... ly-1925577

The widow of Corey Comperatore, the heroic volunteer firefighter killed while shielding his family during the shooting at a Donald Trump campaign rally, said that the former president has not reached out to the grieving family.

The silence from Trump contrasts with an attempted call from President Joe Biden, which the Comperatore family declined. Helen Comperatore, speaking from her home in Sarver, Pennsylvania, told the New York Post in an exclusive interview, "I didn't talk to Biden. I didn't want to talk to him," adding, "My husband was a devout Republican and he would not have wanted me to talk to him."

Biden is one of 'them'. Apparently, on election nights many republicans and democrats used to have election parties, freely mixing to review the result. Now they are using the language of mortal conflict. I assume Mrs Comperatore is a fairly normal person; the fact that she can't take a call from her president who wishes to express his sympathy because he is a democrat is deeply worrying.

A few assumptions in that statement, but I agree with Mikey that the language is disturbing.

[Puja]

I'm not posting this simply as a 'gotcha' against Trump, it's always been more than clear he couldn't give less of a shit about any of his supporters, but the language used is sort of fascinating.

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-j ... ly-1925577

The widow of Corey Comperatore, the heroic volunteer firefighter killed while shielding his family during the shooting at a Donald Trump campaign rally, said that the former president has not reached out to the grieving family.

The silence from Trump contrasts with an attempted call from President Joe Biden, which the Comperatore family declined. Helen Comperatore, speaking from her home in Sarver, Pennsylvania, told the New York Post in an exclusive interview, "I didn't talk to Biden. I didn't want to talk to him," adding, "My husband was a devout Republican and he would not have wanted me to talk to him."

Biden is one of 'them'. Apparently, on election nights many republicans and democrats used to have election parties, freely mixing to review the result. Now they are using the language of mortal conflict. I assume Mrs Comperatore is a fairly normal person; the fact that she can't take a call from her president who wishes to express his sympathy because he is a democrat is deeply worrying.

A few assumptions in that statement, but I agree with Mikey that the language is disturbing.

And the language of religion - a "devout" Republican, which suggests it would be a *sin* to accept condolences from a Democrat President.

Puja

[Son of Mathonwy]

I'm not posting this simply as a 'gotcha' against Trump, it's always been more than clear he couldn't give less of a shit about any of his supporters, but the language used is sort of fascinating.

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-j ... ly-1925577

Biden is one of 'them'. Apparently, on election nights many republicans and democrats used to have election parties, freely mixing to review the result. Now they are using the language of mortal conflict. I assume Mrs Comperatore is a fairly normal person; the fact that she can't take a call from her president who wishes to express his sympathy because he is a democrat is deeply worrying.

A few assumptions in that statement, but I agree with Mikey that the language is disturbing.

And the language of religion - a "devout" Republican, which suggests it would be a *sin* to accept condolences from a Democrat President.

Puja

It's a shame.

Although I can sort of understand by imagining myself in her position being called by Prime Minister Boris Johnson.

[Sandydragon]

Biden is one of 'them'. Apparently, on election nights many republicans and democrats used to have election parties, freely mixing to review the result. Now they are using the language of mortal conflict. I assume Mrs Comperatore is a fairly normal person; the fact that she can't take a call from her president who wishes to express his sympathy because he is a democrat is deeply worrying.

A few assumptions in that statement, but I agree with Mikey that the language is disturbing.

And the language of religion - a "devout" Republican, which suggests it would be a *sin* to accept condolences from a Democrat President.

Puja

It's a shame.

Although I can sort of understand by imagining myself in her position being called by Prime Minister Boris Johnson.

The role of a PM or President is sometimes to pass on commiserations. Brown and Blair wrote to and spoke to the families of plenty of British soldiers who died in Iraq and Afghanistan. Most had the good grace to differentiate between the person, their party and the office.

Noting that Johnson was a despicable character. Would you have accepted a call from say Theresa May under those circumstances?

[Puja]

Biden is one of 'them'. Apparently, on election nights many republicans and democrats used to have election parties, freely mixing to review the result. Now they are using the language of mortal conflict. I assume Mrs Comperatore is a fairly normal person; the fact that she can't take a call from her president who wishes to express his sympathy because he is a democrat is deeply worrying.

A few assumptions in that statement, but I agree with Mikey that the language is disturbing.

And the language of religion - a "devout" Republican, which suggests it would be a *sin* to accept condolences from a Democrat President.

Puja

It's a shame.

Although I can sort of understand by imagining myself in her position being called by Prime Minister Boris Johnson.

I was picturing that myself and thinking I might not take a call from Liz Truss in a similar situation, but I think the major difference is that I wouldn't take it because I thought they were a fucking idiot and didn't see what I'd get from it, rather than because of their identity as a Conservative. And, tbh, I'd probably still take the call.

ETA, cause Sandy posted while my internet was down and hit the nail on the head - it's less about the person and more about their office at that point. Especially for the Yanks where the President is their head of state - it's effectively the official condolences of the United States, rather than the petty person occupying the offices at the time.

Puja

[Sandydragon]

And the language of religion - a "devout" Republican, which suggests it would be a *sin* to accept condolences from a Democrat President.

Puja

It's a shame.

Although I can sort of understand by imagining myself in her position being called by Prime Minister Boris Johnson.

I was picturing that myself and thinking I might not take a call from Liz Truss in a similar situation, but I think the major difference is that I wouldn't take it because I thought they were a fucking idiot and didn't see what I'd get from it, rather than because of their identity as a Conservative. And, tbh, I'd probably still take the call.

ETA, cause Sandy posted while my internet was down and hit the nail on the head - it's less about the person and more about their office at that point. Especially for the Yanks where the President is their head of state - it's effectively the official condolences of the United States, rather than the petty person occupying the offices at the time.

Puja

Agreed. If I had lost a relative to covid and I received a call from Boris (knowing what we now know about his partying antics), I think it would be difficult to take. But that would be a very personal thing, nothing to do with his party allegiance. If Biden had in some way been directly responsible for the death, or had taken the piss like Boris did, then I would totally understand the reaction.

Equally, she is probably still in shock so trying to read too much into this might be a mistake.

[Puja]

[Sandydragon]

He’s also referred to the UK as the first Islamist state to have nuclear weapons following Labours general election victory.

Sounds like a typically ill informed MAGA knob