Can we knock Scotland out of kilter?

[Sourdust]

Scotland's record v Wales in the 6N era (includes 2 friendlies): P25 W5 D1 L19

And we find Ireland annoying... the scots must be so sick of the sight of us. Poor bastards.

[loudnconfident]

France have us in Cardiff, Eng at HQ.? They'll become disinterested in one of those two games.

France/England is in Paris this year.

Well done Wales - and a great game for a neutral.

Cardiff a tough place to visit (as it should be!)

[Sandydragon]

Scotland's record v Wales in the 6N era (includes 2 friendlies): P25 W5 D1 L19

And we find Ireland annoying... the scots must be so sick of the sight of us. Poor bastards.

I’m trying to think what the 5 losses were. We lost that game in Llanelli that was delayed from the 2020 Six Nations and I remember that awful game under Gareth Jenkins in Edinburgh where we did well to come second. I don’t think we lost at all to Scotland under Gatland so presumably the remainder were in those first few miserable years where we couldn’t win a thing?

[normanski]

Scotland's record v Wales in the 6N era (includes 2 friendlies): P25 W5 D1 L19

And we find Ireland annoying... the scots must be so sick of the sight of us. Poor bastards.

I’m trying to think what the 5 losses were. We lost that game in Llanelli that was delayed from the 2020 Six Nations and I remember that awful game under Gareth Jenkins in Edinburgh where we did well to come second. I don’t think we lost at all to Scotland under Gatland so presumably the remainder were in those first few miserable years where we couldn’t win a thing?

I think we lost one under Gatland at Murrayfield when we dithered (AWJ?) over taking the certain points or going for the corner.

Another I remember was in 2001 when we lost narrowly.

[whatisthejava]

Well done on the win, I thought you got fuck all out of the ref in Dublin and can’t argue you got a bit of luck yesterday.

[Buggaluggs]

Well done on the win, I thought you got fuck all out of the ref in Dublin and can’t argue you got a bit of luck yesterday.

Doubt it would have changed the result, but Basham should have been saying his heavenly thank yous before bed last night for sure.

Other than that, I also think Wales' demise may have been exaggerated a little. We haven't turned into a completely shit team in 12 months. At home, Wales are still a tough nut.

[Wallpaperman]

Scotland's record v Wales in the 6N era (includes 2 friendlies): P25 W5 D1 L19

And we find Ireland annoying... the scots must be so sick of the sight of us. Poor bastards.

I’m trying to think what the 5 losses were. We lost that game in Llanelli that was delayed from the 2020 Six Nations and I remember that awful game under Gareth Jenkins in Edinburgh where we did well to come second. I don’t think we lost at all to Scotland under Gatland so presumably the remainder were in those first few miserable years where we couldn’t win a thing?

Scotland beat Wales in 2017, when Gatland was on pre-Lions duty. Wales were 13-6 up just before half time and Halfpenny shanked quite an easy penalty for what would have been 16-6, before Scotland took Wales to the cleaners in the second half. It was quite a painful season, where England won in Cardiff after Daly skinned Cuthbert with 5 minutes to go, and Wales lost in Paris to a try in the 100th minute after about 100 scrum resets. Wales finished 5th in the table, with the only real highlight being a win against Ireland in a high intensity match on a Friday evening.

[Buggaluggs]

I remember the French game. We had a guy yellow carded at 81 mins and he still came back on! France had some dubious 'injuries' that allowed them to bring their heavy scrumagers back on and squeeze the penalties out of us.

[Sandydragon]

Scotland's record v Wales in the 6N era (includes 2 friendlies): P25 W5 D1 L19

And we find Ireland annoying... the scots must be so sick of the sight of us. Poor bastards.

I’m trying to think what the 5 losses were. We lost that game in Llanelli that was delayed from the 2020 Six Nations and I remember that awful game under Gareth Jenkins in Edinburgh where we did well to come second. I don’t think we lost at all to Scotland under Gatland so presumably the remainder were in those first few miserable years where we couldn’t win a thing?

Scotland beat Wales in 2017, when Gatland was on pre-Lions duty. Wales were 13-6 up just before half time and Halfpenny shanked quite an easy penalty for what would have been 16-6, before Scotland took Wales to the cleaners in the second half. It was quite a painful season, where England won in Cardiff after Daly skinned Cuthbert with 5 minutes to go, and Wales lost in Paris to a try in the 100th minute after about 100 scrum resets. Wales finished 5th in the table, with the only real highlight being a win against Ireland in a high intensity match on a Friday evening.

I’d completely blanked that season from my mind!

[Wallpaperman]

I remember the French game. We had a guy yellow carded at 81 mins and he still came back on! France had some dubious 'injuries' that allowed them to bring their heavy scrumagers back on and squeeze the penalties out of us.

The French prop who was rubbing his stomach, with the medical guy standing next to him telling the ref it was a head injury ! And Rob Evans shouting ‘we don’t f***ing care who they bring on’ before being rinsed at about 5 scrums in a row by the returning Slimani. One of the Welsh players claimed that they were bitten, too. A crazy game.

Wales pulled a similar stunt to get Leon Brown off in a game against Georgia a year or so later.

[Wallpaperman]

I’m trying to think what the 5 losses were. We lost that game in Llanelli that was delayed from the 2020 Six Nations and I remember that awful game under Gareth Jenkins in Edinburgh where we did well to come second. I don’t think we lost at all to Scotland under Gatland so presumably the remainder were in those first few miserable years where we couldn’t win a thing?

Scotland beat Wales in 2017, when Gatland was on pre-Lions duty. Wales were 13-6 up just before half time and Halfpenny shanked quite an easy penalty for what would have been 16-6, before Scotland took Wales to the cleaners in the second half. It was quite a painful season, where England won in Cardiff after Daly skinned Cuthbert with 5 minutes to go, and Wales lost in Paris to a try in the 100th minute after about 100 scrum resets. Wales finished 5th in the table, with the only real highlight being a win against Ireland in a high intensity match on a Friday evening.

I’d completely blanked that season from my mind!

I went to the Scotland game, Hamish Watson came on in the first half as an injury replacement and played a blinder. And it was one of those Finn Russell games where everything he tried came off.

It was an early kick off so I went to watch Hibernian play in the evening and after 90 minutes among the Hibs fans the rugby didn’t seem to matter as I was worried about getting out of the ground in one piece.

[Sandydragon]

I remember the French game. We had a guy yellow carded at 81 mins and he still came back on! France had some dubious 'injuries' that allowed them to bring their heavy scrumagers back on and squeeze the penalties out of us.

The French prop who was rubbing his stomach, with the medical guy standing next to him telling the ref it was a head injury ! And Rob Evans shouting ‘we don’t f***ing care who they bring on’ before being rinsed at about 5 scrums in a row by the returning Slimani. One of the Welsh players claimed that they were bitten, too. A crazy game.

Wales pulled a similar stunt to get Leon Brown off in a game against Georgia a year or so later.

That’s was North who claimed to have been bitten, with the ref suggesting to the TMO that he couldn’t be sure that he hadn’t bitten himself. Not one of rugby’s better games.

[Wallpaperman]

I remember the French game. We had a guy yellow carded at 81 mins and he still came back on! France had some dubious 'injuries' that allowed them to bring their heavy scrumagers back on and squeeze the penalties out of us.

The French prop who was rubbing his stomach, with the medical guy standing next to him telling the ref it was a head injury ! And Rob Evans shouting ‘we don’t f***ing care who they bring on’ before being rinsed at about 5 scrums in a row by the returning Slimani. One of the Welsh players claimed that they were bitten, too. A crazy game.

Wales pulled a similar stunt to get Leon Brown off in a game against Georgia a year or so later.

That’s was North who claimed to have been bitten, with the ref suggesting to the TMO that he couldn’t be sure that he hadn’t bitten himself. Not one of rugby’s better games.

It was such a long game, he was probably hungry

[Wallpaperman]

Tom Shanklin is saying that Jon Davies had such a big influence in defence that he should start at HQ, partnering Watkin. That would be a solid pairing, but I don’t see where the tries would come from. That said we are going to need a strong defensive shift against England, especially if Tuilagi is available, and I can see the logic in picking them. Halaholo might also be in the mix by the, too.

Josh Adams should be back, too, and it sounds as though Faletau had a good comeback yesterday. Would be nice to have a stronger squad to pick from.

[Sandydragon]

Tom Shanklin is saying that Jon Davies had such a big influence in defence that he should start at HQ, partnering Watkin. That would be a solid pairing, but I don’t see where the tries would come from. That said we are going to need a strong defensive shift against England, especially if Tuilagi is available, and I can see the logic in picking them. Halaholo might also be in the mix by the, too.

Josh Adams should be back, too, and it sounds as though Faletau had a good comeback yesterday. Would be nice to have a stronger squad to pick from.

Foxy did make an impact when he came on, but my thoughts are the same as yours. Tompkins is capable of opening up a defence which would make our midfield a bit too samey without someone like him. Halaholo would be a good addition if he is fit.

Very tempting to bring Faletau back in if he has another good game. We will need some more dog against England and Faletau is a class player. I’m not sure Twickenham is the place for a double open side combo.

[Sourdust]

I’m trying to think what the 5 losses were. We lost that game in Llanelli that was delayed from the 2020 Six Nations and I remember that awful game under Gareth Jenkins in Edinburgh where we did well to come second. I don’t think we lost at all to Scotland under Gatland so presumably the remainder were in those first few miserable years where we couldn’t win a thing?

Yep! Two wins from the last SIXTEEN games.

2001 (Draw), 2002, 2003, 2007, 2017, 2020.

The 2001 game remains my finest hour for score predictions. I called it 29-29, final score 28-28.
Jinks with a drop-goal hat-trick in the 1st half. McLaren: "He's NOT going to do it AGAIN?"

I was at the 2002 game, I think. A decent match and Scotland were actually pretty good, ISTR. In 2003 the Netherlands could have beaten us. In 2007 Scotland were atrocious, and we were much worse. 2017, uniquely, was a proper hiding. 2020 shouldn't really count, but we have to.