Sandydragon wrote:
Trump can’t concede . I don’t think it’s in his personality to be humble and equally having set himself up as a cheated martyr, he can’t walk away from that now. Set sup Trump jnr for 2024 as a revenge mission.
Mary Trump was on Channel 4 news last night and observed this outcome is appalling for Trump in a number of ways, he's failed which of itself is unacceptable, there's nobody to bail him out by swallowing his losses or cheating/lying for him which he'd normally anticipate to cover his failings, and given the GOP have done well in the Senate and Congress it's not the GOP dragging him down, he's failing in the Presidential race as Trump, he's the one dragging the GOP down so there's no easy target to blame. Essentially he'll be miserable and left flailing because he just will not be able to cope with what's transpired
Indeed, he is now a loser. The only way to shift blame is to accuse the democrats or someone of somehow cheating.
But if he's still a loser it's still something he's simply unable to process
Which is a bit of a worry with a handover looming and still some important decisions to be made between now and Jan
Digby, I don’t think much will happen between now and the inauguration. Trump will sulk and provided he just rants on Twitter then that’s probably the best we can hope for. If he throws what little authority he has left about between now and then I’ll be more concerned, although expect some presidential pardons to be issued.
Sandydragon wrote:Digby, I don’t think much will happen between now and the inauguration. Trump will sulk and provided he just rants on Twitter then that’s probably the best we can hope for. If he throws what little authority he has left about between now and then I’ll be more concerned, although expect some presidential pardons to be issued.
The Georgia runoffs could be a blessing in that sense, as the wider Republican party will have an active disincentive to engage with any egregious fuckery because they'll still have something to fight over.
fivepointer wrote:The odious creep will doubtless hang around for a bit like a bad smell but the relief of having a grown up in charge of the USA is something to cheer.
Hanging around ala his mate Epstein?
I just toasted Trump (and other authoritarian populist cockwombles) with Tequila, Ali did with Talisker - the most unpalatable drinks in existence for us.
Sandydragon wrote:Digby, I don’t think much will happen between now and the inauguration. Trump will sulk and provided he just rants on Twitter then that’s probably the best we can hope for. If he throws what little authority he has left about between now and then I’ll be more concerned, although expect some presidential pardons to be issued.
The Georgia runoffs could be a blessing in that sense, as the wider Republican party will have an active disincentive to engage with any egregious fuckery because they'll still have something to fight over.
Puja
For a start from right now as much data as possible should be getting shared with team Biden, because one group has lots of very expensive governmental data and one doesn't. Right now any decision Trump males that impacts upon the future should as much as possible not tie the hands of the incoming executive just in the normal running of the place no major policy stuff. Just on those two points Trump could do a lot of damage if he fails to act with even some basic decency.
And then Trump can do a lot of damage poisoning the well when it comes to public opinion, with his supporters and those who really don't support him
And then there's environmental accords, wars, trade deals, security protocols that he could in a worst case scenario conclude if he's going down then he's going to take a big shit in the Whitehouse before he's gone
Sandydragon wrote:Digby, I don’t think much will happen between now and the inauguration. Trump will sulk and provided he just rants on Twitter then that’s probably the best we can hope for. If he throws what little authority he has left about between now and then I’ll be more concerned, although expect some presidential pardons to be issued.
The Georgia runoffs could be a blessing in that sense, as the wider Republican party will have an active disincentive to engage with any egregious fuckery because they'll still have something to fight over.
Puja
That’s a good point. I think many of the republicans will be washing their hands of Trump very quickly.
Sandydragon wrote:Digby, I don’t think much will happen between now and the inauguration. Trump will sulk and provided he just rants on Twitter then that’s probably the best we can hope for. If he throws what little authority he has left about between now and then I’ll be more concerned, although expect some presidential pardons to be issued.
The Georgia runoffs could be a blessing in that sense, as the wider Republican party will have an active disincentive to engage with any egregious fuckery because they'll still have something to fight over.
Puja
None of that will happen. Instead he will probably play golf and plan for his proposed TV network.
For a start from right now as much data as possible should be getting shared with team Biden, because one group has lots of very expensive governmental data and one doesn't. Right now any decision Trump males that impacts upon the future should as much as possible not tie the hands of the incoming executive just in the normal running of the place no major policy stuff. Just on those two points Trump could do a lot of damage if he fails to act with even some basic decency.
And then Trump can do a lot of damage poisoning the well when it comes to public opinion, with his supporters and those who really don't support him
And then there's environmental accords, wars, trade deals, security protocols that he could in a worst case scenario conclude if he's going down then he's going to take a big shit in the Whitehouse before he's gone
Well played 'Murica. Years too late, as per, but still, got there in the end.
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It was so much easier to blame Them. It was bleakly depressing to think They were Us. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.
Fair play to Donny it's hard to become President, and hard too not to win your election as President, and he managed to not win re-election quite easily no matter the historic odds against him
Puja wrote:
The Georgia runoffs could be a blessing in that sense, as the wider Republican party will have an active disincentive to engage with any egregious fuckery because they'll still have something to fight over.
Puja
For a start from right now as much data as possible should be getting shared with team Biden, because one group has lots of very expensive governmental data and one doesn't. Right now any decision Trump males that impacts upon the future should as much as possible not tie the hands of the incoming executive just in the normal running of the place no major policy stuff. Just on those two points Trump could do a lot of damage if he fails to act with even some basic decency.
And then Trump can do a lot of damage poisoning the well when it comes to public opinion, with his supporters and those who really don't support him
And then there's environmental accords, wars, trade deals, security protocols that he could in a worst case scenario conclude if he's going down then he's going to take a big shit in the Whitehouse before he's gone
None of that will happen. Instead he will probably play golf and plan for his proposed TV network.
Good news if true, with no permanent civil service this is actually quite important, and for all the talk of phone lines being cut and missing buttons from computer keyboards it's all the handover of data which is the priority, and being respectful of the incoming executive and trying if possible not to commit them to various acts
In a good number of handovers the various aides become long-lasting friends even allowing for the pain the outgoing administration feel.
Of course it's possible this administration will have less to handover because of serial incompetence and laziness over the years, and will instead spend time trying to hide their crimes and stir up trouble.
Digby wrote:
For a start from right now as much data as possible should be getting shared with team Biden, because one group has lots of very expensive governmental data and one doesn't. Right now any decision Trump males that impacts upon the future should as much as possible not tie the hands of the incoming executive just in the normal running of the place no major policy stuff. Just on those two points Trump could do a lot of damage if he fails to act with even some basic decency.
And then Trump can do a lot of damage poisoning the well when it comes to public opinion, with his supporters and those who really don't support him
And then there's environmental accords, wars, trade deals, security protocols that he could in a worst case scenario conclude if he's going down then he's going to take a big shit in the Whitehouse before he's gone
None of that will happen. Instead he will probably play golf and plan for his proposed TV network.
Good news if true, with no permanent civil service this is actually quite important, and for all the talk of phone lines being cut and missing buttons from computer keyboards it's all the handover of data which is the priority, and being respectful of the incoming executive and trying if possible not to commit them to various acts
In a good number of handovers the various aides become long-lasting friends even allowing for the pain the outgoing administration feel.
Of course it's possible this administration will have less to handover because of serial incompetence and laziness over the years, and will instead spend time trying to hide their crimes and stir up trouble.
Mary Trump was concerned about the damage this vindictive, narcissistic shit could do before he steps down. And I agree.
(Aside for SF fans - this situation reminds me of the start of Dune, when the Atreides take over from the Harkonnens and have to turn everything upside down searching for booby traps.)
Son of Mathonwy wrote:(Aside for SF fans - this situation reminds me of the start of Dune, when the Atreides take over from the Harkonnens and have to turn everything upside down searching for booby traps.)
Hah! I like that reference. He's not competent enough to build a death trap, but I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't break things out of petty spite.
- this situation reminds me of the start of Dune, when the Atreides take over from the Harkonnens and have to turn everything upside down searching for booby traps.)