Europe - in or out - RR Votes

[Zhivago]

[UGagain]

Franky Boyle.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... oliticians

[UGagain]

Iceland proves the nation state is alive and well
Posted on Tuesday, May 31, 2016 by bill
On May 27, 2016, Statistics Iceland (the national statistical agency) released the news – Iceland economy to grow by 4.3% in 2016. The nation is enjoying strong household consumption and investment growth and tourism is driving export growth. Inflation is low and the exchange rate, which depreciated sharply during the crisis, is stable, if not steadily appreciating again. Compare that to the Eurozone Member States, which are in varying states of moribund. We also learned this week that the Icelandic government has increased the intensity of its capital controls and is forcing speculative capital to behave itself. For those who think the state is dead, particularly those on the Left who promote grand (delusional) schemes of a Pan Europe Democracy as the only way of taking on the powers of corporations, Iceland proves that neo-liberalism has to work through the legislative capacities of sovereign states. Corporations do not have armies (usually). They have to manipulate the legislative process in their favour. The currency-issuing state is still supreme – globalisation or not – and the Right know that. The Left have been duped into believing otherwise. That is what has to change before progress is made in restoring some decency to the policy making process around the world.

http://bilbo.economicoutlook.net/blog/?p=33707

[fivepointer]

Someone else not terribly impressed with the options available to us .......

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... vine-welsh

[UGagain]

Someone else not terribly impressed with the options available to us .......

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... vine-welsh

He has a point.

The left is so pathetic that all it can do is say "me too" with neoliberals.

[Zhivago]

Brexit side gets advantage after chaos due to lack of EU postal regulation.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... st-germany

[Zhivago]

Oh now this is funny. Get this, the chairperson of the official leave campaign, Gisela Stuart (Labour MP) was born and raised in Germany. Isn't that completely ironic?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vote_Leav ... eave_Board

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gisela_Stuart

[Billyfish]

Still erring toward leave.

[Which Tyler]

[Zhivago]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... d-subsidie

[bruce]

Oh now this is funny. Get this, the chairperson of the official leave campaign, Gisela Stuart (Labour MP) was born and raised in Germany. Isn't that completely ironic?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vote_Leav ... eave_Board

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gisela_Stuart

Not really.

[Stones of granite]

Oh now this is funny. Get this, the chairperson of the official leave campaign, Gisela Stuart (Labour MP) was born and raised in Germany. Isn't that completely ironic?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vote_Leav ... eave_Board

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gisela_Stuart

Not really.

You're very generous. Not remotely, would be more accurate.

[Sandydragon]

I suppose Stuart's presence on the Leave Campaign would be odd if they were campaigning for zero immigration. But they aren't.

[Lizard]

So will there be Brexit Exit Polls?

[canta_brian]

No. Strict rules against this.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-e ... m-36599900

[Sandydragon]

So will there be Brexit Exit Polls?

No one on site this morning. All the recent normal polls have been too close to call so I think we will need to wait until the small hours to find out for sure.

Exciting isn't it?!

[jared_7]

So will there be Brexit Exit Polls?

No one on site this morning. All the recent normal polls have been too close to call so I think we will need to wait until the small hours to find out for sure.

Exciting isn't it?!

Something tells me it won't be that close at all. Remember the polls leading up to the election? They're about as accurate as IMF predictions.

[Adder]

Remain to win. The question is: by how much?

[Zhivago]

So will there be Brexit Exit Polls?

No, if there were, we'd detect a whiff of fraud.

[Sandydragon]

Remain to win. The question is: by how much?

Agreed. And not by much so the question will remain open for some while. Alternatively, it could be close enough for a shock.

[Sandydragon]

So will there be Brexit Exit Polls?

No, if there were, we'd detect a whiff of fraud.

There will be claims of fraud regardless, exit polls or no. A better indication of fraud is the monitoring that is conducted throughout the counting process, although that does little to prevent abuse with postal/ proxy voting.

[Adder]

Remain to win. The question is: by how much?

Agreed. And not by much so the question will remain open for some while. Alternatively, it could be close enough for a shock.

I wouldn't be surprised if there is a 10 point gap... Tomorrow will be intereating.

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[Sandydragon]

Remain to win. The question is: by how much?

Agreed. And not by much so the question will remain open for some while. Alternatively, it could be close enough for a shock.

I wouldn't be surprised if there is a 10 point gap... Tomorrow will be intereating.

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I will admit to standing in the voting booth and thinking about whether I could stomach the sight of a smug Farage tomorrow - it didn't affect the decision but I admit to it being a last minute consideration.

[Banquo]

No. Strict rules against this.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-e ... m-36599900

there may be exit polls, but they can't be shared until after 10.

[canta_brian]

No. Strict rules against this.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-e ... m-36599900

there may be exit polls, but they can't be shared until after 10.

Indeed. I was polled as I left this mirning