Brexit delayed

[Digby]

6 more months of this to go!

Up to.

Love the optimism.

Decades of this to go in truth

[Digby]

May insists we can leave without hosting European elections, up until May 31st, a full week after those elections are due to take place...

Everything I’ve read agrees with her. For all elections, those who win the ballot don’t immediately take their seat. There is always a delay until the new parliament/council is formed. I’m guessing for the EU that delay is a week.

If people want vote no deal they should vote for Farage’s Brexit Party. They are polling above UKIP and neck and neck with the Lib Dems (Westminster voting intentions).

I think we have to host elections or constitutionally the EU needs to change the number of seats being voted on in other nations, if we then fail to fill those seats as we've left in the intervening period we've still met the requirements of the constitution.

[Mellsblue]

May insists we can leave without hosting European elections, up until May 31st, a full week after those elections are due to take place...

Everything I’ve read agrees with her. For all elections, those who win the ballot don’t immediately take their seat. There is always a delay until the new parliament/council is formed. I’m guessing for the EU that delay is a week.

If people want vote no deal they should vote for Farage’s Brexit Party. They are polling above UKIP and neck and neck with the Lib Dems (Westminster voting intentions).

I think we have to host elections or constitutionally the EU needs to change the number of seats being voted on in other nations, if we then fail to fill those seats as we've left in the intervening period we've still met the requirements of the constitution.

Yep. Point was we can still leave at that point without having the elections. Constitutionally the the new parliament doesn’t form until that date, not the date of the election.

[Digby]

Everything I’ve read agrees with her. For all elections, those who win the ballot don’t immediately take their seat. There is always a delay until the new parliament/council is formed. I’m guessing for the EU that delay is a week.

If people want vote no deal they should vote for Farage’s Brexit Party. They are polling above UKIP and neck and neck with the Lib Dems (Westminster voting intentions).

I think we have to host elections or constitutionally the EU needs to change the number of seats being voted on in other nations, if we then fail to fill those seats as we've left in the intervening period we've still met the requirements of the constitution.

Yep. Point was we can still leave at that point without having the elections. Constitutionally the the new parliament doesn’t form until that date, not the date of the election.

Constitutionally when does one need to confirm one will be holding elections though? Surely it's some way in advance of the actual date of election?

Almost certainly this is poorly written in the constitution as nobody envisaged the scenario and we could well find both grey areas and contradictory areas

[Mellsblue]

I think we have to host elections or constitutionally the EU needs to change the number of seats being voted on in other nations, if we then fail to fill those seats as we've left in the intervening period we've still met the requirements of the constitution.

Yep. Point was we can still leave at that point without having the elections. Constitutionally the the new parliament doesn’t form until that date, not the date of the election.

Constitutionally when does one need to confirm one will be holding elections though? Surely it's some way in advance of the actual date of election?

Almost certainly this is poorly written in the constitution as nobody envisaged the scenario and we could well find both grey areas and contradictory areas

No idea of cut off point for us to say “we’re off by x so no need for us to take part in elections”.

[Digby]

Yep. Point was we can still leave at that point without having the elections. Constitutionally the the new parliament doesn’t form until that date, not the date of the election.

Constitutionally when does one need to confirm one will be holding elections though? Surely it's some way in advance of the actual date of election?

Almost certainly this is poorly written in the constitution as nobody envisaged the scenario and we could well find both grey areas and contradictory areas

No idea of cut off point for us to say “we’re off by x so no need for us to take part in elections”.

Whenever it is it's going to be well ahead of the date in May that May is working towards. How the government isn't ready with advice from constitutional lawyers on this I don't know, both in terms of their communication with EU partners and domestic electorate

At times our cabinet seems akin to Trump making their plans with no attention being paid to what's legally permissible

[Mellsblue]

Constitutionally when does one need to confirm one will be holding elections though? Surely it's some way in advance of the actual date of election?

Almost certainly this is poorly written in the constitution as nobody envisaged the scenario and we could well find both grey areas and contradictory areas

No idea of cut off point for us to say “we’re off by x so no need for us to take part in elections”.

Whenever it is it's going to be well ahead of the date in May that May is working towards. How the government isn't ready with advice from constitutional lawyers on this I don't know, both in terms of their communication with EU partners and domestic electorate

At times our cabinet seems akin to Trump making their plans with no attention being paid to what's legally permissible

I’m sure those who need to know do know (I hope). I doubt they’re leaving it to the RR politics board to organise. Tbh, the idea that we will be leaving then is for the birds.

[Banquo]

Up to.

Love the optimism.

Decades of this to go in truth

Fair point.

[Digby]

No idea of cut off point for us to say “we’re off by x so no need for us to take part in elections”.

Whenever it is it's going to be well ahead of the date in May that May is working towards. How the government isn't ready with advice from constitutional lawyers on this I don't know, both in terms of their communication with EU partners and domestic electorate

At times our cabinet seems akin to Trump making their plans with no attention being paid to what's legally permissible

I’m sure those who need to know do know (I hope). I doubt they’re leaving it to the RR politics board to organise. Tbh, the idea that we will be leaving then is for the birds.

I'm happy to back a leave decision for a large enough bribe. It's weird back on point though, I suspect we've all given up on MPs reading and understanding the subject, but that the cabinet and even PM seem surprised to be confronted by reality is rather alarming even if a little amusing

[Digby]

Love the optimism.

Decades of this to go in truth

Fair point.

I might be up to 16 of them now, and in only 8000 or so posts

[Puja]

Mark Francois has just criticised May by saying, "Perseverance is a virtue, but sheer obstinacy is not."

The sheer lack of self-awareness is just astounding.

Puja

[Banquo]

Mark Francois has just criticised May by saying, "Perseverance is a virtue, but sheer obstinacy is not."

The sheer lack of self-awareness is just astounding.

Puja

He's a turd

[Mellsblue]

Mark Francois has just criticised May by saying, "Perseverance is a virtue, but sheer obstinacy is not."

The sheer lack of self-awareness is just astounding.

Puja

He's a turd

Yep.

[Mellsblue]

Brexit Party officially launched today. Rees-Mogg’s sister is/will be a candidate for the EU elections. Just had a chat with someone close to things and they think Mark Francois will defect at the first opportunity. Fingers crossed.

[Digby]

Brexit Party officially launched today. Rees-Mogg’s sister is/will be a candidate for the EU elections. Just had a chat with someone close to things and they think Mark Francois will defect at the first opportunity. Fingers crossed.

Francois will certainly defecate on them even if not intentionally

[morepork]

The Brexit party?

Jesus christ.....

[Sandydragon]

The Brexit party?

Jesus christ.....

Life of Brian springs to mind, splitters!

[Sandydragon]

Brexit Party officially launched today. Rees-Mogg’s sister is/will be a candidate for the EU elections. Just had a chat with someone close to things and they think Mark Francois will defect at the first opportunity. Fingers crossed.

Francois will certainly defecate on them even if not intentionally

The more that idiot is on TV the greater the chance of no Brexit. There’s a damn good reason why the leave campaign kept the likes of him hidden.

[Digby]

The Brexit party?

Jesus christ.....

Life of Brian springs to mind, splitters!

Their policies including stoning anyone from Judea who wishes to move to the UK

[Son of Mathonwy]

Read this today and thought it a well-written article from a Leave-voter's perspective: https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/opende ... ink-again/

Very sensible.

But most of this - other than the Good Friday Agreement issues - was highly predicable at the time of the referendum. Why wasn't it to Oborne?

[Galfon]

A further delay now until 31 October, earlier if a WA has been ratified by MPs.
UK will need to take part in the Euro elections on 23 May, but if not would have to leave the EU on 1 June with No deal.
Can't see either of these early exit scenarios being allowed to happen by MP's - the Can has been kicked along so many times now it looks more like a Can't.

[Lizard]

That flowchart is missing a branch. It assumes (following the “yes” - “pass” path, that the EU will agree a renegotiated deal.

[Mellsblue]

[Banquo]

ffs.

Oddly, that's 71% favouring parties whose policy is leaving the EU.

[Puja]

ffs.

Oddly, that's 71% favouring parties whose policy is leaving the EU.

Although I suspect a reasonable portion of the 37% going for Labour or Conservatives is identity politics, rather than anything to do with their policies.

Puja