Brexit delayed

[Mellsblue]

Lost by 4 - they must’ve thought it worth the risk. I’m really looking forward to Farage’s reaction to this. I’m sure it’ll be measured.

[Digby]

Lost by 4 - they must’ve thought it worth the risk. I’m really looking forward to Farage’s reaction to this. I’m sure it’ll be measured.

I'm still stuck feeling that on a near 50/50 vote one shouldn't expect to get everything one wants, and if we were voting to take back control that's what we should have, and that can't mean handing powers to an executive. Also had the whips turned a few votes I understand a few more would've rebelled whereas they didn't need to as it was so voted to keep the peace.

[Banquo]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42346192

The government has been narrowly defeated in a key vote on its Brexit bill after a rebellion by 12 Tory MPs.


In a blow to Prime Minister Theresa May, MPs voted to give Parliament a legal guarantee of a vote on the final Brexit deal struck with Brussels.


...

not that funny, makes a no deal brexit a bit more likely. They'd have got the vote anyway, it was just some tories fannying about to piss off the likes of Bill Cash, a laudable aim in isolation, but not when we are already fcked in terms of negotiation.

[Banquo]

Lost by 4 - they must’ve thought it worth the risk. I’m really looking forward to Farage’s reaction to this. I’m sure it’ll be measured.

I'm still stuck feeling that on a near 50/50 vote one shouldn't expect to get everything one wants, and if we were voting to take back control that's what we should have, and that can't mean handing powers to an executive. Also had the whips turned a few votes I understand a few more would've rebelled whereas they didn't need to as it was so voted to keep the peace.

yep, some abstained. But its all a bit fckin inward looking rather than sorting out the real external mess; Field and Hoey opposed it from Labour, think Corbyn would have wanted to personally as well

[Digby]

Lost by 4 - they must’ve thought it worth the risk. I’m really looking forward to Farage’s reaction to this. I’m sure it’ll be measured.

I'm still stuck feeling that on a near 50/50 vote one shouldn't expect to get everything one wants, and if we were voting to take back control that's what we should have, and that can't mean handing powers to an executive. Also had the whips turned a few votes I understand a few more would've rebelled whereas they didn't need to as it was so voted to keep the peace.

yep, some abstained. But its all a bit fckin inward looking rather than sorting out the real external mess; Field and Hoey opposed it from Labour, think Corbyn would have wanted to personally as well

We've just had a very successful phase 1 where we and the EU agreed not to make any hasty decisions as Rome wasn't built in a day, and we've decided to make any actual decisions by some as yet ill defined point in our future. Sir Humphrey would consider such progress sound in the extreme

[Banquo]

I'm still stuck feeling that on a near 50/50 vote one shouldn't expect to get everything one wants, and if we were voting to take back control that's what we should have, and that can't mean handing powers to an executive. Also had the whips turned a few votes I understand a few more would've rebelled whereas they didn't need to as it was so voted to keep the peace.

yep, some abstained. But its all a bit fckin inward looking rather than sorting out the real external mess; Field and Hoey opposed it from Labour, think Corbyn would have wanted to personally as well

We've just had a very successful phase 1 where we and the EU agreed not to make any hasty decisions as Rome wasn't built in a day, and we've decided to make any actual decisions by some as yet ill defined point in our future. Sir Humphrey would consider such progress sound in the extreme

meanwhile Rome burns at the same time as not being built in a day

[Banquo]

not that funny, makes a no deal brexit a bit more likely. They'd have got the vote anyway, it was just some tories fannying about to piss off the likes of Bill Cash, a laudable aim in isolation, but not when we are already fcked in terms of negotiation.

I think at this point, you might as well sit back and embrace the fact that it's going to be a massive comedy of errors.

Going to be.....already has, its a divine comedy, were it not for the fact that already fcked up lives will be fckd up yet further. But fair point, given its only the internet

[Digby]

https://www.ft.com/content/e3b29230-db5 ... 4b1c09b482

It's not wholly unreasonable to claim there's some fake news in there, at the very least there's some news based on predicted economic modelling for things that never happened. Nonetheless as the article points out there will be some amusement that Brexit rather than allowing for extra investment into the NHS is now costing us around £350 million a week.

Laissez les bons temps rouler

[morepork]

We truly live in the age of The Special Political Olympics. Such titans on the world stage at the moment.


also, please refrain from using the fucking phrase "fake news" whenever possible.

[canta_brian]

Finally a brexit achievement to make all the expense and social division worthwhile.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42443253

'Iconic' blue British passport to return after Brexit

[Digby]

No doubt swapping the colour is more important than the travel rights associated with a passport.

[Stones of granite]

No doubt swapping the colour is more important than the travel rights associated with a passport.

I bet the DM is purring this morning.

[Which Tyler]

Finally a brexit achievement to make all the expense and social division worthwhile.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42443253

'Iconic' blue British passport to return after Brexit

This story is indeed symbolic, but not in the way lots of people in the media seem to think. The fact is, nobody under 30 - and pretty much nobody under 40 - has ever had a blue passport and nobody that age regards them as 'iconic' at all.

This whole story is baby boomers ranting to themselves about pointless nostalgia that half the population don't share or comprehend. Nothing could be more symbolic of Brexit than that.

[Digby]

I've two mains thoughts on this, mainly I just don't care what colour a passport is, but if I did have to pick something I'd want something which stands out more than a dark blue passport, I can already spend enough time rummaging in drawers with a burgundy passport so making it harder to spot is a little daft

[fivepointer]

Meanwhile the Brexit "impact assessments" have been made available and have been universally ridiculed for being lightweight and short of any meaningful analysis.

Either the government have commissioned a proper analysis, which they are selectively keeping under wraps as the findings make grim reading, or the cut and paste job that these reports basically amount to are really the extent of the governments research.

Both scenarios are utterly shocking and display a level of incompetence and negligence that is shameful.

But not to worry, we can have nice blue passports.

[Digby]

The Guardian has undertaken a review of the Brexit analysis, and they've posted 10 summary points from the documents, now it's possible, and only possible, they're taking the piss a bit:

“The food chain includes agriculture”
“The demand for air travel drives the demand for aircraft”
“In coastal communities fishing brings employment and economic activity”
“As an island nation, the UK has been dependent on the sea … throughout history”
“Banks are found all over the UK, largely in proportion to population”
“[Industry] is characterised by some very large firms … and a large number of small firms”
“Short crossing tend to be favoured for time-critical cargoes”
“The higher education sector has different economic characteristics to manufacturing”
“Agricultural output is characterised by fluctuations due to weather”
“A well-known exchange is the London Stock Exchange, where companies obtain a listing for newly issued equities (eg UK company shares) and where those shares are subsequently traded.”

Although there is the worrying thought that whilst they might be taking the piss a little this is the actual analysis, so the joke in all senses is well and truly at our expense

[Which Tyler]

The Guardian has undertaken a review of the Brexit analysis, and they've posted 10 summary points from the documents, now it's possible, and only possible, they're taking the piss a bit:

“The food chain includes agriculture”
“The demand for air travel drives the demand for aircraft”
“In coastal communities fishing brings employment and economic activity”
“As an island nation, the UK has been dependent on the sea … throughout history”
“Banks are found all over the UK, largely in proportion to population”
“[Industry] is characterised by some very large firms … and a large number of small firms”
“Short crossing tend to be favoured for time-critical cargoes”
“The higher education sector has different economic characteristics to manufacturing”
“Agricultural output is characterised by fluctuations due to weather”
“A well-known exchange is the London Stock Exchange, where companies obtain a listing for newly issued equities (eg UK company shares) and where those shares are subsequently traded.”

Although there is the worrying thought that whilst they might be taking the piss a little this is the actual analysis, so the joke in all senses is well and truly at our expense

Oh good gods - you weren't even making that up!
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... plagiarism

[Digby]

The Guardian has undertaken a review of the Brexit analysis, and they've posted 10 summary points from the documents, now it's possible, and only possible, they're taking the piss a bit:

“The food chain includes agriculture”
“The demand for air travel drives the demand for aircraft”
“In coastal communities fishing brings employment and economic activity”
“As an island nation, the UK has been dependent on the sea … throughout history”
“Banks are found all over the UK, largely in proportion to population”
“[Industry] is characterised by some very large firms … and a large number of small firms”
“Short crossing tend to be favoured for time-critical cargoes”
“The higher education sector has different economic characteristics to manufacturing”
“Agricultural output is characterised by fluctuations due to weather”
“A well-known exchange is the London Stock Exchange, where companies obtain a listing for newly issued equities (eg UK company shares) and where those shares are subsequently traded.”

Although there is the worrying thought that whilst they might be taking the piss a little this is the actual analysis, so the joke in all senses is well and truly at our expense

Oh good gods - you weren't even making that up!
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... plagiarism

Brexit is like Trump, you don't need to make anything up to ridicule the stupidity

[Zhivago]

I'm still hoping that the Dutch gov will change its mind about dubble nationality, so I can get a backup passport. I'm tired of Brexit already and I'm tired of not knowing its impact on my family life.

[Mikey Brown]

We truly live in the age of The Special Political Olympics. Such titans on the world stage at the moment.


also, please refrain from using the fucking phrase "fake news" whenever possible.

Aye. I hate thinking that this will actually be one of Teunp’s legacies that lives on. Saying that, I thought at the beginnings the phrase “brexit” was fucking retarded and nobody with any dignity would ever use the term, but it’s cleary here for good.

[belgarion]

We truly live in the age of The Special Political Olympics. Such titans on the world stage at the moment.


also, please refrain from using the fucking phrase "fake news" whenever possible.

Aye. I hate thinking that this will actually be one of Teunp’s legacies that lives on. Saying that, I thought at the beginnings the phrase “brexit” was fucking retarded and nobody with any dignity would ever use the term, but it’s cleary here for good.

As I said somewhere in an earlier post, it's not even a correct contraction as it should be UKexit as it is the United Kingdom of Great Britain
and Northern Ireland that is leaving the EU not just Britain

[Mellsblue]

We truly live in the age of The Special Political Olympics. Such titans on the world stage at the moment.


also, please refrain from using the fucking phrase "fake news" whenever possible.

Aye. I hate thinking that this will actually be one of Teunp’s legacies that lives on. Saying that, I thought at the beginnings the phrase “brexit” was fucking retarded and nobody with any dignity would ever use the term, but it’s cleary here for good.

As I said somewhere in an earlier post, it's not even a correct contraction as it should be UKexit as it is the United Kingdom of Great Britain
and Northern Ireland that is leaving the EU not just Britain

Yukit.

[belgarion]

Aye. I hate thinking that this will actually be one of Teunp’s legacies that lives on. Saying that, I thought at the beginnings the phrase “brexit” was fucking retarded and nobody with any dignity would ever use the term, but it’s cleary here for good.

As I said somewhere in an earlier post, it's not even a correct contraction as it should be UKexit as it is the United Kingdom of Great Britain
and Northern Ireland that is leaving the EU not just Britain

Yukit.

Now that I agree with

[Mellsblue]

I've two mains thoughts on this, mainly I just don't care what colour a passport is, but if I did have to pick something I'd want something which stands out more than a dark blue passport, I can already spend enough time rummaging in drawers with a burgundy passport so making it harder to spot is a little daft

Merry Christmas:

https://www.amara.com/products/iphis-pa ... holder-red



You are welcome.

[Digby]

I've two mains thoughts on this, mainly I just don't care what colour a passport is, but if I did have to pick something I'd want something which stands out more than a dark blue passport, I can already spend enough time rummaging in drawers with a burgundy passport so making it harder to spot is a little daft

Merry Christmas:

https://www.amara.com/products/iphis-pa ... holder-red



You are welcome.

I actually keep mine in a red Mike Burton zip folder I've still got from the NZ jamboree tour in 2005, I might be wrong but I suspect Mike Burton didn't spend £75 on the folder, indeed I suspect they didn't spend £75 on some of the hotels they booked us into